Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

[grampi]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

The 3km is just not that easy, grampi. The speed you gave Dago is for the 15km, which is not as hard to get.

The Bear has been down on power for years, so people forget. 507mph?? People forget there is a 'fudge factor' now too. They lengthened the course without moving the pylons, so you can't compare speeds before '03 directly. Not sayin' Dago hasn't been fast... just sayin'.

For now and the future, Rare Bear holds the propeller driven speed record at 528 and change. And that is only because The Bear ran outta nitrous... with nitrous they were clocked somewhere around 540mph!

Respect the Bear, or you will be bitten...

~R.

I'm all confused now. I thought Bear's speed record was for the 5K closed course, and Dago's was for the 3K. Where did the 15K come from?

[440_Magnum]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

I don't think Dago has it in her anymore.

HAH.

It wasn't but a few years ago that the message boards were slathered in posts about how "the round engines will never win again." The retirement of the Doc definitely made an impact, but things change.

In my best Wallace Shawn voice:
You've fallen into one of the classic blunders. The first is "never get involved in a land war in Asia," only slightly less well-known is "never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line, and applicable here is "never count Dago Red or Strega out before Sunday evening."



As for the record- When John Slack explained exactly how tough it is to claim the 3km record that Rare Bear holds, it made it pretty obvious why people don't try to claim it very often.

[grampi]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

HAH.

It wasn't but a few years ago that the message boards were slathered in posts about how "the round engines will never win again." The retirement of the Doc definitely made an impact, but things change.

In my best Wallace Shawn voice:
You've fallen into one of the classic blunders. The first is "never get involved in a land war in Asia," only slightly less well-known is "never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line, and applicable here is "never count Dago Red or Strega out before Sunday evening."



As for the record- When John Slack explained exactly how tough it is to claim the 3km record that Rare Bear holds, it made it pretty obvious why people don't try to claim it very often.

Who is John Slack and can this explination be read somewhere on the internet?

[Bob]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

Its on these boards

[grampi]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

Its on these boards

What is?

[Peashooter]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/showthread.php?t=5169&highlight=3km+speed+record

[Leo]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

The fortunes of the various racers seem to go through cycles, depending on technology, skill, and money. Periodically one will put together the right combination and be unbeatable for a while, until the others impliment some of the tricks and methods or get sugar daddy's. It's always fluid. There were many years that Dago was a dark horse. There have been years that Bear could not stay together long enough to race let alone win. Strega has had a string of bad years lately (as has Dago). Right now it seems to be Bears time in the sun. This in no way is intended to belittle the efforts of others, Bear just seems to have cubic dollars on it's side. That said, it still falls to who is running strongest Sunday and sometimes that has nothing to do with "best".
Having seem what the RB went thru, Darryl went through, and reading of the Bear's record runs it seems someone would have to want it really bad and be fairly assured of success before attempting it. A lot of time and money. My personal feeling is that until someone does magic on a merlin, the cleaner mustang cannot pack the brute power of the Bear and will have a hard time beating the record.

[DWYER]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

Why doesn't someone tear down a Mouse motor and simply reverse engineer a new one?

Certain parts are Not or Not Nearly As available today. Most notably the bulletproof G6 allison parts that he utilized in the Mouse.

[grampi]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

The fortunes of the various racers seem to go through cycles, depending on technology, skill, and money. Periodically one will put together the right combination and be unbeatable for a while, until the others impliment some of the tricks and methods or get sugar daddy's. It's always fluid. There were many years that Dago was a dark horse. There have been years that Bear could not stay together long enough to race let alone win. Strega has had a string of bad years lately (as has Dago). Right now it seems to be Bears time in the sun. This in no way is intended to belittle the efforts of others, Bear just seems to have cubic dollars on it's side. That said, it still falls to who is running strongest Sunday and sometimes that has nothing to do with "best".
Having seem what the RB went thru, Darryl went through, and reading of the Bear's record runs it seems someone would have to want it really bad and be fairly assured of success before attempting it. A lot of time and money. My personal feeling is that until someone does magic on a merlin, the cleaner mustang cannot pack the brute power of the Bear and will have a hard time beating the record.

Apparently Dago had magic motors back when they were running Mouse motors (around '03 and '04) and I think during that time they could've easily made a run at the record, but for some reason it never happened. Maybe they just didn't care about that record. You're right about the Mustangs not being able to pack the power of Bear, but then again they don't need to because they're much more aerodynamic. Currently, I don't know if there are any 'stangs that are capable of that record, but I definitely think Dago was for sure at one time, and Strega probably was as well.

[grampi]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

Certain parts are Not or Not Nearly As available today. Most notably the bulletproof G6 allison parts that he utilized in the Mouse.

They can't fabricate those parts?

[Leo]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

And I would'nt say that they won't ever be again. Things have a way of coming around.

[Bob]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

If you were to fabricate parts, would they have to pay any roalities? Would the FAA want to look at them and certify them for aircraft engines? Always wondered about that.

[wyhdah]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

I think the Galloping Goast could. (That's for you Ryan)

[MRussell]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

Records are made to be broken.

It will happen again. IIRC someone (mebbe JS) said Lyle was hoping someone would break it quickly just so he could go back and re-smash it in RB.

[flyingjibus]

Re: Why doesn't anyone ever attempt to break Rare Bear's speed record?

You're right about the Mustangs not being able to pack the power of Bear, but then again they don't need to because they're much more aerodynamic.

Not True.

A LOT of Grumman's time and effort went into making that airframe as fast and sleek as they could. Remember it was designed to out dogfight the Zero. Very interesting stuff went on with it's development.