MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

[fenceliner01]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

John Boyd?! I thought AF policy required you guys to pretend he never existed. Hope you haven't breached security. "Bigger and more complex wins contracts!" To heck whether it can win a dog fight or not.

I read his biography about two years ago. A brilliant, but complex man. I'm still trying to figure out the OODA loop.

[fenceliner01]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Did they run into the walls? How do you pull that many G's in a car?
WTF...over

Paul

I think it was a combination of sustained g's and no anti-g training like that taught to our military pilots.

[Apteryx]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Even with a high bank, I can't see how you could sustain much more than 2 G's, certainly not lateraly. So these drivers must be blacking-out in elevators....

[MMPerk]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Here's a quick link...I remember this...well...sort of...

Scary when you think about what could have been...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/news/2001/04/29/cart_cancel_ap/

Lonnie

Good question though...makes me wonder how the X-29 might handle around the pylons?

[Apteryx]

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Interesting, thanks for the link Lonnie.

Paul

[Bob]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Did they run into the walls? How do you pull that many G's in a car?
WTF...over

Paul

At speed (180mph+) an F-1 car produces close to 5000lbs down force. Sometimes if you watch a F-1 race they will display G loads, and under braking into a corner they can produce close to 6g's. Sounds unbelievable actually.

[Randy Haskin]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Couple notes:

1) Forward swept wings does nothing for increasing an airplane's ability to initiate G (e.g. get on the G quickly) or sustain that G. The forward sweep simply builds in aerodynamic INstability that allows faster rolling and pitching.

2) Excess Thrust is an overall factor that takes into account all aspects of the airplane (weight, drag, etc) and compares it with how much thrust is available. The thrust that is left over after you subtract all that drag is EXCESS thrust....hence the name.

[TOR_DP]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

I expect if we dig back into ancient AF history..... The Hi-Mat would probably go fastest. Of course, its unmanned because at 16+G your tosies tend to explode in your boots...

Try this one on:

BD-10 (no a/b, meets min weight req.)

With the stiffened rudders (to help avoid death).

Light (-er than a Buckeye, or L-39), and fast...

Just my .02

[zeke]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Couple notes:


2) Excess Thrust is an overall factor that takes into account all aspects of the airplane (weight, drag, etc) and compares it with how much thrust is available. The thrust that is left over after you subtract all that drag is EXCESS thrust....hence the name.

Thanks Randy, I thought it did but wasn't sure.

Interesting how an aircraft like the F-104 Red Baron could have lots more "Excess" Thrust than some of the latest military jets with lots more total thrust.

[zeke]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

BD-10 (no a/b, meets min weight req.)

With the stiffened rudders (to help avoid death).

Nice way of saying it....

Like the aircraft concept, anyone know what happened with it, any still flying, many produced?

[MRussell]

Re: MAX lap record around the RaRa course????

Nice way of saying it....

Like the aircraft concept, anyone know what happened with it, any still flying, many produced?

Vstabs broke off. Killed test pilot. Project ended. That's the last I heard. The accident report is quite thorough and more incriminating than your average NTSB report.