Updates from Reno...

[CRJpilot]

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Wrong link. That leads to a Beaver crash in AK.

So sorry about that, this is the correct one.

Corrected Link: NTSB

[Race5]

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The NTSB has released their initial report on this years accident for those that haven't seen it.

PDF download link: NTSB

Don

Wrong link. That leads to a Beaver crash in AK.

[CRJpilot]

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The NTSB has released their initial report on this years accident for those that haven't seen it.

PDF download link: NTSB (Link Now Corrected)

Don

[GRNDP51]

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This needs to be looked at as a glass half full scenario. No spectators were killed, there are definitely things that can be addressed to make sure something like this never happens again (there are VERY likely rules/regulations to make sure this doesn't happen again, but no need to discuss until formal report on the cause).

This isn't something that is happening every year. This is the first fatal accident since... 2014? The LiveStream as well as this being on Sunday made it much bigger deal than losing Lee in 2014, but it's no different (other than cause likely). We lost pilots doing what they love with known risk. RARA/FAA/NTSB will look at what needs to be done to keep pilots and spectators safe, and we move forward like we always do. Really no need to be pessimistic on the future of Reno on this platform that is supposed to convince people to attend Reno since it's the best motorsport in the world.

[Plane Nuts]

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For a different perspective, between 2012 and 2018 more than 800 people were injured by foul balls at MLB games. I guess that is not headline worthy.

[RAD2LTR]

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There is no possible way to ensure a spectator or competitor will not be injured or killed in any motorsports event. It does happen and most of the time it doesn't make the news. Sadly, because Reno is the only event like it in the world, it gets the attention of the press more than other incidents.

Does it suck to have a loss of life at any event? Yes it does. Still, anyone who takes part in it, whether it be as a spectator or competitor knows the possibility is there, even though its low. There is no reason to eliminate Reno. If they do, it sets precedence to eliminate every airshow, or other motorsports event in the country. There are those people who would love to see that happen (for whatever stupid reason.) There are more people who do not wish for that to happen.

Yes there is encroachment on the racecourse at Reno. No, its not going to stop. I do think the venue has more years to give however.

Will

[TarDevil]

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Hi Critter!I've just found it amazing that this sport has been allowed to continue and wonder if our luck will continue.. While I search my soul and ask if I really want it to...

So many grim possibilities exposed on September 18. I appreciate your candidness, Wayne, and I'm lock-step with you.

[tim]

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How about Palmdale/Lancaster area or Mesquite NV?

One spot that looks great is Pueblo Colorado. I don't think I've seen it mentioned. It is a ww2 military base. It has a large barren area to the viewable from the large tarmac. It has three in service runways, plus a fourth disused runway and it is not so far from reasonable population centers.

Kingman Arizona also has a similar layout, and not too far from Vegas.

[AAFO_WSagar]

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I'm sure there are suitable locations for a new air racing venue. At the most basic level, there are a couple of high level requirements...

1. Suitable airfield with multiple adequate runways, terrain and infrastructure (including safety services)
2. Infrastructure for the attendees such as hotels, dining and entertainment

The hardcore race fan will go almost anywhere, regardless of conditions but the average attendee will not. There needs to be all the other "stuff" available. Reno has gambling, shows, dining, etc. The hard part is finding a location remote enough to have the open space but not too far from everything else.

Hi Critter! I spent much of my time covering air racing trying to help expand the venue. Worked with Bob Avery to get Tunica, Vegas aad others going. It was tough then just getting enough SPONSORSHIP to get the bux to even make an effort to make it happen.

Now days, the problem would not only be getting the FAA and probably more importantly the local authorities to sign off.

Notably, it is not yet clear whether or not RENO will actually be able to continue. The accident on five illustrate how it's pretty much impossible to make it totally safe for spectators.

Not trying to rain on any parades here! I've just found it amazing that this sport has been allowed to continue and wonder if our luck will continue.. While I search my soul and ask if I really want it to...

This all deep from my heart and hopefully, I will not illicit any negative response..

[Sky Critter]

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I'm sure there are suitable locations for a new air racing venue. At the most basic level, there are a couple of high level requirements...

1. Suitable airfield with multiple adequate runways, terrain and infrastructure (including safety services)
2. Infrastructure for the attendees such as hotels, dining and entertainment

The hardcore race fan will go almost anywhere, regardless of conditions but the average attendee will not. There needs to be all the other "stuff" available. Reno has gambling, shows, dining, etc. The hard part is finding a location remote enough to have the open space but not too far from everything else.

[Sky Critter]

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hmmmm.... Kind of a related question: Why'd they stop racing at Mojave? I've been to Reno multiple times, but Mojave only once. I read where they DID race once at Lancaster. But why did it fail along with Phoenix and Miami?

I went to all 3 "races" in Phoenix. The first year was great. The second not so much and the third was a demo along with some monster trucks. The promoter over promised and under performed which resulted in the purse payouts being delayed, reduced or not made at all.

[Ryanshort1]

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Is there no-place in Texas that would work for racing?

[kennsmithf2g]

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Racing in Cleveland ended in 1949 because of loss of the venue with the Military "bomber plant" needed to making tanks with the war in Korea. Air Racing was continued with the smaller planes for a short time at the Cleveland National Air Show over Lake Erie.

[V1670]

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How about Palmdale/Lancaster area or Mesquite NV?

hmmmm.... Kind of a related question: Why'd they stop racing at Mojave? I've been to Reno multiple times, but Mojave only once. I read where they DID race once at Lancaster. But why did it fail along with Phoenix and Miami?

[Lockheed Bob]

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How about Palmdale/Lancaster area or Mesquite NV?