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    Fortunately here at home, we have dish TV and I can get Discovery Wings. Now, this didn't start this kick on Air Racing, but it go the fires burning a little bit more, since I watched an hour long Histor of Air Racing. I think it covered the 2000 Reno Air Nats?? Anyway, is there any air racing on the east coast or televised anywhere (maybe like speed channel)?? Anyway, gotta get up for work tomorrow so its time to log off for the night. Thanks again for all your help, you people are making me wish I had the means and opportunity to make it out to Reno in sept.
    I have the need for speed. Unfotunately I am grounded to the rent-mobiles (aka slow, econo-box cars).

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    Default Best Damn Sport in the World

    When I was in college (not too long ago), it would start on the Monday following Reno. I would drive the 500 miles after Reno arriving home about 2am and be in my first class at 8am. Of course your school is a bit further than 500 miles, and add a few times zones to that.

    The posts on this thread are why I love Air Racing. Of course they left out the smell of the "Port O' Let", and the annoyment of those stupid drunk guys infront of a hangar sitin' in recliners with loud music blarin' (which would be me and my friends).

    Watch THIS board, and we will keep you in the loop. Just promise us one thing - one year you will make it to Reno.

    Bill Pearce
    (note the spelling, only cool people spell it that way!)

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    I forgot one thing... it is worth it just for the sound!

    If I were blind I would still go for the sole purpose of hearing an unlimited push, or surpass 500 mph down the Valley of Speed towards the front line. Whoa damn... it gives me chills!

    BP

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    Originally posted by W J Pearce
    I forgot one thing... it is worth it just for the sound!

    If I were blind I would still go for the sole purpose of hearing an unlimited push, or surpass 500 mph down the Valley of Speed towards the front line. Whoa damn... it gives me chills!

    BP

    After going to air races for a number of years. I finally decided I needed to go out to the Valley Of Speed. Being out there truly awakens your scenes. The sound out there does not do justice to the sounds you hear from stands or the pits.
    Now from another viewpoint, I go out to the pylons (press credentils) From that pont, you can't help but stand there in awe. first you hear the low roar of the unlimited coming off Peavine Mtn. That roar continully get louder and louder and louder, to the point the ground under your feet starts shaking. Then you see how close to the ground they are as they get closer to the pylons. At one very brief moment in time you can actually see their faces and their helmets, these huge warbirds are coming directly right at you. My first time out there, my boss Mark Daniels told me to just stand there and absorb. No photos, just absorb.
    I can never express to you whatt I thought as I watched them coming towards me, knowing they are almost 500 mph.
    No, there is absolutely NO other sport that can compare to the air races. Truly magnificent. That's just reason I'm so proud to be a small part of it I hope for a long, long. time to come. MG
    MG

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    Default Re: Re: I agree with hawkeye...

    Originally posted by FightinBluHen51


    .... So, they mix nitrometh in with the Aviation Octane and burn N2O huh?? That's awsome....
    Speaking as someone who has heard it from a crew chief of one of the faster birds..."Yes". Some have been known to actually do that...all three. Although most do Avgas and Nitrous OR Avgas and Nitromethane OR plain Avgas. Only the very few do all of it together...so I hear. Either way, you'd better be good on your mixtures...or else.

    Then there is ADI (Anti Detonation Injection)...(Which I confess I know little to nothing about...except the hot water 12's seem to like it a lot...)

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    Default Re: Best Damn Sport in the World

    Originally posted by W J Pearce

    Watch THIS board, and we will keep you in the loop. Just promise us one thing - one year you will make it to Reno.
    [/B]
    Deal
    I have the need for speed. Unfotunately I am grounded to the rent-mobiles (aka slow, econo-box cars).

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    Originally posted by W J Pearce
    I forgot one thing... it is worth it just for the sound!

    If I were blind I would still go for the sole purpose of hearing an unlimited push, or surpass 500 mph down the Valley of Speed towards the front line. Whoa damn... it gives me chills!

    BP
    Aren't you forget smell?? I go to the Drag Stripe for 115 Octane, alcohol, methinanal (sp) (never smelled nitromethane), N2O, and of course, rubber. Sound is also another reason I go but I am sure there is nothing like hearing a RR Merlin or Griffin rocketing along. I have been to the USAF muesiem (I know I am a horable speller and I am to lasy to look it up) and seen all the WWII birds up close and personal, but never in flight.
    I have the need for speed. Unfotunately I am grounded to the rent-mobiles (aka slow, econo-box cars).

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    Default Re: Re: Re: I agree with hawkeye...

    Originally posted by gsbloom
    Then there is ADI (Anti Detonation Injection)...(Which I confess I know little to nothing about...except the hot water 12's seem to like it a lot...)
    I am becoming quite the turbocharger efficinato (is that spelled right and at least with cars) so my guess to the Anti dentination injection is an extra couple of fuel injectors downstream of the S-charger. Of course when you flow more air, you need to flow more fuel as well, so, anytime you add extra boost or N2O, you have to offset that with added fuel flow. That's my best guess.
    I have the need for speed. Unfotunately I am grounded to the rent-mobiles (aka slow, econo-box cars).

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    Default ADI & Fuel enrichment

    ....Fuel enrichment is needed with boost increase
    (almost all cases),and is "adjusted"in to the mix
    most often by referencing the fuel pressure regulator
    to the intake manifold downstream from the supercharger
    (mechanical or exhaust driven)

    ADI does exactly what it is named (when done right)
    water and alcohol are injected into the intake to:
    1)lower intake charge (evaporation)
    2)retard combustion burn rate (effective increase of octane)
    (water doesn't burn (at these temps) and alcohol has a high octane rating and latent heat of evaporation)

    Nitrous Oxide is an oxidizer,and when injected requires fuel mixture enrighment (actually fuel mixture normalization)
    (more available oxygen,more fuel needed)

    .....now drop the sulphur "hex" additive from the N2O and plumb it to the stewardess!.....

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    Default Re: ADI & Fuel enrichment

    Originally posted by mayday51
    ....Fuel enrichment is needed with boost increase
    (almost all cases),and is "adjusted"in to the mix
    most often by referencing the fuel pressure regulator
    to the intake manifold downstream from the supercharger
    (mechanical or exhaust driven)

    ADI does exactly what it is named (when done right)
    water and alcohol are injected into the intake to:
    1)lower intake charge (evaporation)
    2)retard combustion burn rate (effective increase of octane)
    (water doesn't burn (at these temps) and alcohol has a high octane rating and latent heat of evaporation)

    Nitrous Oxide is an oxidizer,and when injected requires fuel mixture enrighment (actually fuel mixture normalization)
    (more available oxygen,more fuel needed)


    Good info and I like this but...

    .....now drop the sulphur "hex" additive from the N2O and plumb it to the stewardess!.....
    SMART FELLA
    I have the need for speed. Unfotunately I am grounded to the rent-mobiles (aka slow, econo-box cars).

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