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    Quote Originally Posted by tvrphoto
    Not to dwell on #57, but is there something about the F4G that makes it extrodinarily rare, or is it just due to the fact it's an F4G? Also, I remember the narrator at Oshkosh commenting on the single white prop blade. Can someone remind me of the significance of that feature. Thank you Wayne for enduring my ignorance!
    Tyson, I get my numbers mixep too sometimes, but it's an F "2" G not "4".. The significance of the breed is that they were produced in reaction to the Kamakize attacks as an airplane that could be launched and climb like hell to meet the threat. They had the Pratt & Whitney R-4360 28 Cylinder engine in place of the 2800 that Corsair flew with.. (hey numbers guys, am I right there or did they fly with the 3350? stock) The war ended before any of them saw action.

    What makes this particular one so rare, and I'm digging into memory for the conversation I had with Bob in '01 here so it's going to be somewhat, off the cuff... When the Cleveland races started again after the war ended, the drill was to obtain surplus military fighters which were available for very cheap and then race them. Cook Cleland wanted to race an F2G and he approached the right military (Navy) guys to obtain one or two.. and here's where my memory is going to be somewhat unreliable (at best) I can't remember wheather Cook got two, or three airframes... but regardless, one aircraft of whichever number he got was NOT to be raced, as stipulated by the US Navy, it was to be used for parts only.

    Well, the one that was ready for race had a problem and as related to me by Bob, Cook said, "we raced all the parts in formation" so this airplane, though slated as a parts machine, is actually, historically, a former Cleveland racer... So, not only a very rare type, as there were precious few F2G's produced, a particularly rare F2G, in that it was actually raced by Cook Cleland at Cleveland in the post war era of the sport..

    That's as much as I can remember off hand, do a search from the main page of the site, you might find that stuff that I wrote directly after doing any research, might contain more, and more accurate information..

    And... if he chimes in, or if either of them chime in, Lowell or Speedeemon are walking talking enclyopedias of the sport and should be able to correct me where I've been off and fill in any blanks that I've left open..

    Wayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAFO_WSagar
    Cook Cleland wanted to race an F2G and he approached the right military (Navy) guys to obtain one or two.. and here's where my memory is going to be somewhat unreliable (at best) I can't remember wheather Cook got two, or three airframes... but regardless, one aircraft of whichever number he got was NOT to be raced, as stipulated by the US Navy, it was to be used for parts only.

    Wayne

    Cook origionally purchased -3-. One fatally crashed in the 1947 Thompson. The other -2- came in 1st & 2nd. He then purchased -1-, which was only to be used for parts. He "transfered" the regestration of the crashed one to it and it became #57. He also "transfered" ownership to Ben McKillen Jr. for the races, but kept an already signed bill of sale selling it back to him that he dated after the races when he "reclamed" #57 back from McKillen as McKillen didn't really want to relinquish ownership.

    Ron Puckett also aquired one from the Navy and raced it.

    May all you bent wings be F2G Corsairs.

    Kenn

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    Champlin Fighter Museum (formerly of Mesa, AZ) had a F2G, it's now in Seattle at the Museum of Flight. Try this link for a brief description, http://www.museumofflight.org/collec...ay.html?ID=124
    As for "current" racers, I'm hoping to see Furias, Critical Mass, Jeanie/L.A.R.S. and Strega bend the throttles and pylons again someday.
    I wish that Stilleto still existed in it's racing form and that Tsunami would be rebuilt.
    I've given up on Mr. Awesome/Frost Bite.
    And I'm holding some hope for Wildfire and Renegade, but I think Matt Jackson's American Spirit has the greatest chance of actually appearing at Reno.
    Then there's Shockwave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennsmithf2g
    Cook origionally purchased -3-. One fatally crashed in the 1947 Thompson. The other -2- came in 1st & 2nd. He then purchased -1-, which was only to be used for parts. He "transfered" the regestration of the crashed one to it and it became #57.
    Kenn, thanks for the clarification. A very interesting story, indeed. One can only imagine the amount of moxy it took to go to the Navy and even ask in the first place, then to "buck the system" in that way... well... just a special breed back then I guess. It's all about regs and rules and getting it "right" now days.

    I was talking with an ex F-15 jock the other day about a man we both admire greatly, Robin Olds, in my eyes, I admire his "free lance" cavalier style of interpreting orders, or modifying same to get the job done, a true "maverick" if there ever was one.. the more recent military pilot's response was "yea, the problem is, guys like Robin are great for winning wars but they don't do well in the military during peace time".....

    "Great for winning wars"... I've never been in the military but I thought that's what it was all about..

    Of course, I knew where he (the F-15 guy) was coming from, but it's sort of sad that the line has to be toe'd so closely these days....

    Randy: if you read this... is the "maverick" truly dead in today's military? If you can't answer in public, I totally understand..

    Wayne

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    What happened to Strega ? Is it hybernating ?

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    Juke,
    If you haven't already, take a look at Scotty G.'s new article "Tiger Paws" at http://warbirdaeropress.com/ to answer your question.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyKidChris
    Juke,
    If you haven't already, take a look at Scotty G.'s new article "Tiger Paws" at http://warbirdaeropress.com/ to answer your question.
    Chris
    Flykid, with all due respect to ScottyG's well written piece, it asks the same question we've all been asking for a few years...

    (see "old" article here)

    I'm adding the above link because I think it's so damn old that some of you guys have probably never seen it..

    One good thing to consider when talking about Tiger is to one, never count him out until we can really count him out for good and two, never speculate TOO much because, "Tiger" reads this stuff and he just might be ornrey enough to change directions just to throw egg at the suthsayers among us

    Since I've plugged my own old work here, down at the bottom of the article linked above, there's a link to a pretty darn long phone conversation I had with Tiger about the same time as the article was written that was in answer to my asking him to take us around the pylons with him verbally. I wanted to hear, rather than read his words in describing a lap at Reno.. what came out of it was pretty damn good stuff! His enthusiasm for the sport really showed in his voice (hopefully, it showed in the recording as well) during the conversation.

    Anyway, it still remains to be seen what will become of Strega, rumor, fact, or crystal ball... no matter who sat in the cockpit, we'd have a genuine horse race if Tiger brought the witch back to Reno. Ya'll think he's maybe gettin' bored just sitting there in the pits drinking DagoRed??



    Wayne

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    I remember the battles Rare Bear and Strega had! Those were the most exciting air racing duels I have seen. I would love to see Strega back in the fray!

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    Dago would love to have some more competition. Two buzzards circling over the Bear are always better than one!!! I heard that Tiger was building a composite cowling just like Voodoo's. Now why would he be doing that if it ain't for more racin' Either way, the sport is a bit more hollow without the witch!!!

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    Too easy:

    WHITE LIGHTNIN!

    So she'd run in the Bronze... who cares? Big Bossman needs another twin to tango with, and the history of White Lightnin is just too fantastic to wish for anything else.

    Of course it would be great to see ALL of them back, but I'm going to force myself to just pick one

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