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    Quote Originally Posted by CubersWrist View Post
    One of the cool things about the bronze and medallion sport races have been the planes running nitrous. Now they are getting to where they can run nitrous for the full race, but a couple of years ago the nitrous systems would only last for a couple laps. And it became a strategic move for light off your nitrous at the right time to make a pass or to hold a position.

    2019 #2 Vince Walker with nitrous beat #181 Karl Grove with turbochargers.

    Rerouting form up and chute approach sounds doable and fun. Needs to be addressed quickly with PRS around the corner.
    I can recall helping Greg Shaw set up the ADI and spray bar water regulators for the bearcat. One lovely evening in front of the hangar we were making a small flood testing/adjusting the regulators. Once he realized I understood how they worked he smiled and we laughed for a moment. Then we had to test the nitrous, we had to know how long it would last with several different nozzle sizes. The airplane was in a ****ty T-hangar behind the fire station at KVNY. Greg decided that I was the perfect person to put in the cockpit for these tests. There was no nitrous button in the bearcat, it was a valve with a lever mounted on a side console in the cockpit. Greg gave me the signal and I flipped the lever, everyone seemed a bit startled by the the noise and they backed up out of the hangar through the open front doors. This lasted 10 minutes until it finally petered out. To say I might've been a little loopy getting out of the airplane would be an understament. But the rodeo went on and we'd go through ritual of loading the nitrous that fans have seen in the pits at Reno multiple times in that hangar in Van Nuys. It reminds me of a S&W 500 (I have a 6.5"), it looks like a cartoon or a comic but it actually works. I miss the 3-blade prop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knot4u View Post
    I can recall helping Greg Shaw set up the ADI and spray bar water regulators for the bearcat. One lovely evening in front of the hangar we were making a small flood testing/adjusting the regulators. Once he realized I understood how they worked he smiled and we laughed for a moment. Then we had to test the nitrous, we had to know how long it would last with several different nozzle sizes. The airplane was in a ****ty T-hangar behind the fire station at KVNY. Greg decided that I was the perfect person to put in the cockpit for these tests. There was no nitrous button in the bearcat, it was a valve with a lever mounted on a side console in the cockpit. Greg gave me the signal and I flipped the lever, everyone seemed a bit startled by the the noise and they backed up out of the hangar through the open front doors. This lasted 10 minutes until it finally petered out. To say I might've been a little loopy getting out of the airplane would be an understament. But the rodeo went on and we'd go through ritual of loading the nitrous that fans have seen in the pits at Reno multiple times in that hangar in Van Nuys. It reminds me of a S&W 500 (I have a 6.5"), it looks like a cartoon or a comic but it actually works. I miss the 3-blade prop.
    Flippin' hilarious! Great story...yet another anecdote that adds so much color to this sport. Thanks for sharing that little nugget!
    Owen Ashurst
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    WOW! tough call.

    Best years? for me; the first. 1972. Balz final beating Greenamayer/Laidley/ Conquest 1. "If ya can't beat 'im; ground 'im"
    The sight of my very first Unlimited Heat with Hayden-Bailey winning in a Sea Fury. Mr. Mennen (too bad she was late)

    Lyles first Gold. Jeannie coming out of the cornfield to win. Dago, Strega, Dread, Tsunami, Stilleto,

    I'm gonna go with Big Jim on this: 1975-1995.

    But really; how can one just limit themselves to the 15 BEST racing years? That's a pretty tough decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1670 View Post
    I'm gonna go with Big Jim on this: 1975-1995.
    The problem here is its all subjective. This is going to be the crotchety old man coming out again to yell at the kids to get off his lawn. But you don't know what you don't know. There are members of this board who's experience with air racing begins at "X" date...and that point forward is their only true reference point. Anything prior to that can only be "experienced" through reading/video/pictures/stories/etc. But those things don't convey a whole like actually being there in person and experiencing something first-hand can. It's those missed-tangibles that make it so subjective. Some contributors to this thread have been here a long-time on the scale and others less-so. Each suggestion/opinion here is based on that persons frame of reference.

    Personally, what frustrates me about such debates is it devolving into the barber shop boxing argument from Coming To America. You're going to argue what you know...even if you don't know what you don't know. You can't truly know how good/bad anything was if you don't know what exactly you missed.

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    Getting old is a bitch!

    Heck, my first Reno was '77, but it has been a wild ride since then and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I can't relate to what happened in the earlier years and it doesn't matter...... to me. It's history.

    I did, however, follow the races for several years before '77 and knew I had to go. I'm only 68 now. I'm a fan, not a racer.

    I do believe that the races are every bit as important and every bit as exciting to those that discoverd Reno later than I did. It's just different now than it was for me in those years. Nothing is going to change that.

    Within my frame of reference there were many great stories. The Bear build, Super Corsair build and demise, rise and fall of Red Baron, rise and fall of Stilleto, Rise and fall of Dago, Bear/Strega duals, rise and fall of Tsunami, 500+ laps, old course, new course, newer course, Critical Mass build, Critical Mass retirement, 232 build and retirement, rise/fall and rise of Voodoo, Strega/Voodoo dual, and, and and,,,,,,

    I wouldn't trade those years for anything.

    GP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Jim View Post
    The problem here is its all subjective. This is going to be the crotchety old man coming out again to yell at the kids to get off his lawn. But you don't know what you don't know. There are members of this board who's experience with air racing begins at "X" date...and that point forward is their only true reference point. Anything prior to that can only be "experienced" through reading/video/pictures/stories/etc. But those things don't convey a whole like actually being there in person and experiencing something first-hand can. It's those missed-tangibles that make it so subjective. Some contributors to this thread have been here a long-time on the scale and others less-so. Each suggestion/opinion here is based on that persons frame of reference.

    Personally, what frustrates me about such debates is it devolving into the barber shop boxing argument from Coming To America. You're going to argue what you know...even if you don't know what you don't know. You can't truly know how good/bad anything was if you don't know what exactly you missed.
    George Martin is quoted on the liner notes for "The Beatles Live at the Hollywood Bowl.

    "world we live in today, it is difficult to appreciate the excitement of the Beatles breakthrough. My youngest daughter, Lucy, now nine years old, once asked me about them, ?You used to record them, didn?t you, Daddy?? she asked, ?Were they as great as the Bay City Rollers?? ?Probably not,? I replied. Some day she will find out."

    Someday the newer fans to Reno will understand that most of the newer crowd of Unlimited Class racers are really the Bay City Rollers. They provide a show with all of the flash and images that Reno is famous for however they music and the talent is not the same. I'm excepting Stevo Hinton who to me is the Tom Petty of the new crowd with all of the passion and desire and magic to have been able to compete historically with those heroes of the past. So you can't have The Beatles, might as well enjoy the Bay City Rollers.....just know that there is and was a difference.

    Rock on......"Running Down A Dream!"
    John Slack

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellCobraIV View Post
    George Martin is quoted on the liner notes for "The Beatles Live at the Hollywood Bowl.

    "world we live in today, it is difficult to appreciate the excitement of the Beatles breakthrough. My youngest daughter, Lucy, now nine years old, once asked me about them, ?You used to record them, didn?t you, Daddy?? she asked, ?Were they as great as the Bay City Rollers?? ?Probably not,? I replied. Some day she will find out."

    Someday the newer fans to Reno will understand that most of the newer crowd of Unlimited Class racers are really the Bay City Rollers. They provide a show with all of the flash and images that Reno is famous for however they music and the talent is not the same. I'm excepting Stevo Hinton who to me is the Tom Petty of the new crowd with all of the passion and desire and magic to have been able to compete historically with those heroes of the past. So you can't have The Beatles, might as well enjoy the Bay City Rollers.....just know that there is and was a difference.

    Rock on......"Running Down A Dream!"
    Hi John, thanks for posting. I recall you teased us with a story about when Lyle actually let it all hang out in the Bearcat. I'd love to know what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knot4u View Post
    Hi John, thanks for posting. I recall you teased us with a story about when Lyle actually let it all hang out in the Bearcat. I'd love to know what happened.
    I'm still teasing. It's part of another recent bigger story.
    John
    John Slack

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    The racing is one thing, but the personalities are a big draw.

    I recently got interested in Formula One auto racing (which is about as far from F-1 air racing as you can get in many ways.) I got hooked because there was a show on Netflix that followed several teams through a season and gave the viewer a chance to really get to know the crews, owners and drivers.

    What air racing has over auto racing is that the planes themselves have personalities. In F1, or NASCAR, the individual cars don't have any personality.

    Lyle Shelton and Howie Keefe really understood that airplanes should have names. The crowd gets that extra hook into the action. Add to that the drama of the late night thrash and you've got a real story to sell the crowd on.

    On that basis the big years are years like Jeannie's last-minute rebuild ending in winning the gold, Dan Martin's super-stocker challenges, and any of a number of times the Bear had to swap something. You can even add on the Sanders waxing Dreadnought when they get into high maintenance mode.

    Or you can look at the grudge match qualifying times - like in 1996 when David Price qualified at 490 and Lyle came back with 491.

    I think there's enough material for a four-hour miniseries every year out of a week's racing at Reno.. who wants to pitch it to Netflix?
    Last edited by L.E.D.; 05-18-2021 at 12:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.E.D. View Post
    The racing is one thing, but the personalities are a big draw.

    I recently got interested in Formula One auto racing (which is about as far from F-1 air racing as you can get in many ways.) I got hooked because there was a show on Netflix that followed several teams through a season and gave the viewer a chance to really get to know the crews, owners and drivers.

    What air racing has over auto racing is that the planes themselves have personalities. In F1, or NASCAR, the individual cars don't have any personality.

    I think there's enough material for a four-hour miniseries every year out of a week's racing at Reno.. who wants to pitch it to Netflix?
    Completely agree.

    Netflix was a conflict with the NBC contract. But that might not be in place anymore?
    But the sad thing is with social media and websites every team has the ability to make their own Netflix-style special (see Mark Patey and the Dark Aero 1 youtube channels). But that takes a lot of work to plan, record, and edit the videos and then you factor in keeping speed mods secret. And then they aren't getting paid for it and it's hard to get any attention if you aren't a warbird team...So, there needs to be a higher demand from the fans for the teams to do this stuff. If there isn't enough demand for teams to take more selfies and videos then there is little chance of Netflix doing anything with it either.
    "young" Thomas

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