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    Default Re: Reno '21 Unlimited News

    One can hope...with two years to prep perhaps we'll be treated to an enhanced UNL class and an even more competitive class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertdawg View Post
    You and me both.

    A super stock Miss American and Ridge Runner both would bring smiles to Reno Air Race Week.

    I don't mean to rain on the parade, but I'm pretty sure RRIII is now a TF.

    If its Grim Reaper with race mods, now that is a different story. That WOULD be cool.

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    So what is needed to beat Dread at the moment? 450 race average? There?s been several platforms capable of that. The Buick is just so damn consistent. The ultimate keeper. 450. What racers are currently capable of that if they are given what they need to go 450?
    You'll get your chance, smart guy!

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    I think it needs to be a platform that will run 470. Dreadnaught can run 450 all day long. I think, and I might be wrong, but Dreadnought has gone 460 in the past. Its faster with the small tail, but gets unruly at high speeds. What platforms can beat it? Czech Mate, Miss A with the engine and cooling, perhaps any other Mustang with the RRIII treatment. Obviously, Rare Bear, Voodoo, and Strega, but they likely aren't in the picture at this time. I'd also say September Fury, but only the current owner and the Sanders know what is going on with it. Even with a hot 3350, I don't think Sawbones is clean enough to go that fast. They might do 450 however.

    Its one thing to go as fast as Dreadnaught, its another to pass it and open a lead up that is large enough to keep it down the front straight.

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    The short tail Dread has never (I believe) run 450. It might be able to in a straight line but it?s not going to happen on the course. It?s only been 460 once in this century. If you get out front on the start and run 450, you?re golden. No pun intended.
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    Fair point. I just went back and looked at Dreadnought's qualifying and Sunday speeds since '85. Its qualified at 450+ 6 times, the fastest being 459 in 08, but they DNF'd the week. They have finished at greater than 450 in 05, 06 and in 09 their finishing speed on Saturday was 459, Sunday was slower.

    Since 85 Dreadnought has qualified 440+ 19 times, and finished on Sunday 11 times (at 440+.)

    So, someone needs to be able to run 460 to seal the deal. 450 might do it, but I think the finish will be one hell of a close finish depending on who is flying Dreadnought.

    Looking at Czech Mate's speeds since 06, its qualified greater than 440 7 times, the fastest was 466 in '09, and finished faster than 440 4 times, the fastest being 464 in '09. ('13 on Saturday they ran 462, finished at 455 on Sunday.) So, Czech Mate might not even be an easy win against Dreadnaught.

    An interesting note, since 06, the most racers that qualified greater than 440 was 7, in 07 and 11. Out of those 7 in 07, only 3 finished at speeds faster than 440. In the 11 years from 06 to 17, only 3 aircraft finished the Sunday race at greater than 440 7 times, with '09 finishing 5 out of 6 of the 440+ qualifiers at 440+. 2013 had 4 of the 6 do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAD2LTR View Post
    Fair point. I just went back and looked at Dreadnought's qualifying and Sunday speeds since '85. Its qualified at 450+ 6 times, the fastest being 459 in 08, but they DNF'd the week. They have finished at greater than 450 in 05, 06 and in 09 their finishing speed on Saturday was 459, Sunday was slower.

    Since 85 Dreadnought has qualified 440+ 19 times, and finished on Sunday 11 times (at 440+.)

    So, someone needs to be able to run 460 to seal the deal. 450 might do it, but I think the finish will be one hell of a close finish depending on who is flying Dreadnought.

    Looking at Czech Mate's speeds since 06, its qualified greater than 440 7 times, the fastest was 466 in '09, and finished faster than 440 4 times, the fastest being 464 in '09. ('13 on Saturday they ran 462, finished at 455 on Sunday.) So, Czech Mate might not even be an easy win against Dreadnaught.

    An interesting note, since 06, the most racers that qualified greater than 440 was 7, in 07 and 11. Out of those 7 in 07, only 3 finished at speeds faster than 440. In the 11 years from 06 to 17, only 3 aircraft finished the Sunday race at greater than 440 7 times, with '09 finishing 5 out of 6 of the 440+ qualifiers at 440+. 2013 had 4 of the 6 do it.

    Will
    I started to look at these on the RARA site but fairly quickly abandoned that effort! Good Work, Will!
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    I heard that Dreadnaught when went to short tail also went to a smaller prop. That will lose some speed.

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    Its kinda interesting when you stop and think that the only aircraft to finish faster than 470 in the past 20 years have been Dago Red, Rare Bear, September Fury, Strega and Voodoo. I'll add Ridge Runner III in as a side note since they were 3rd in the 09 Saturday race at 477. Tsunami is the only other racer to run greater than 470.

    7 aircraft in the history of Reno have run faster than 470 mph. That is it. One crashed and was destroyed, but will fly again, one is apart waiting for a reason to return, one has been converted to a TF, the other 4 are still complete and could be raced if the owners wanted to. To run 470, you are in an elite group. It sort of puts just how fast those laps are into perspective.

    Will

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    Default Re: Reno '21 Unlimited News

    Question:

    How important is speed in the context of competition.

    By that I mean, would you prefer two UNL's competing above 470+mph with every one else in the dust, or would you prefer 4-5 UNL hammering at each other at 450mph?

    Preference....out and out speed that smokes the competition or competition that is out and out competitive?

    And yeah...I get it...we'd all want 4-5 470+mph banging on each other but we all know...that's not going to happen.
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