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    There is a 2/3 size P 51 Mustang kit that is powered by a 350 chevy. Their web site is; http://www.taskresearch.com/ I was just wondering if anyone here that has had any experience with these folks. Airworthiness, reliability, cost etc: I know I'll never afford a real one or ever a Thunder Mustang. But maybe this I could. Thanks

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    Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

    Remarkable about that 350 Chevy engined 2/3 Mustang is the looks; it still looks like Mustang. Anything smaller ( with a pilot inside ) than that is no longer really scalelike.

    What is this Mustang all about ?
    Last edited by First time Juke; 03-06-2005, 05:36 AM.
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      Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

      Chevy 350s seem to produce 420-500 hp each. So a small twin could yield 1000 hp with two of them.







      And when "nuked" ( not recommended ) then 599 hp !




      Other automotive engines link:




      Tally-Ho Spitfire uses Ford V-6 yielding 180 hp ( turning into 383 ! ) ! ?




      Weight chart of the car engines:

      Last edited by First time Juke; 03-06-2005, 06:08 AM.
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        Mercedes SOCH V8 alum.

        Just a notion:

        The 5 litre aluminium Mercedes SOHC V8 produces 240 bhp in a Mercedes 500 SL. It weighs 452 lbs.

        Here is better list with F-1 engines !


        Here are their cubature and power output !


        Lotus Esprit GT3 engine is 2 litres with 244 ps !
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          Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

          Lamborghini engines at 6 litre V-12 produces 575 PS. ( wonder if with little bit of nitrous and spraybars one could tweak 800 PS outa it ? ).

          New GallardoS was just unveiled:http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/News/ConceptS.html

          The aerodynamics of the “Concept S” have been optimised thanks to front and rear spoilers and a large rear diffuser.

          General Information

          Layout: Mid-Engine/AWD
          Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

          Engine

          Type: V10
          Displacement: 4961 cc
          Horsepower: 500 bhp @ 7800 rpm
          Torque: 376 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
          Redline: 7800 rpm
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            Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

            I think here is a winner with a price tag too:

            Race cars for sale and race cars wanted, rally cars, spares, memorabilia, transporters and pit equipment for sale with on-line photos and spec sheets.


            658 hp from a nascar 358 cu.in. engine.( weight 560 lbs )

            This engine has a very good power to weight ratio. They do pull 920 hps from the Drag Race engines with the same block.
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              Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

              Originally posted by tex-fan
              There is a 2/3 size P 51 Mustang kit that is powered by a 350 chevy. Their web site is; http://www.taskresearch.com/ I was just wondering if anyone here that has had any experience with these folks. Airworthiness, reliability, cost etc: I know I'll never afford a real one or ever a Thunder Mustang. But maybe this I could. Thanks
              tex-fan !

              I recall Sports Aviation had a story of this Chevy 350 Mustang. I could look it up for you on my spare time in a local library. I am also interested.

              best regards,

              Juke T
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                Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                Originally posted by tex-fan
                There is a 2/3 size P 51 Mustang kit that is powered by a 350 chevy. Their web site is; http://www.taskresearch.com/ I was just wondering if anyone here that has had any experience with these folks. Airworthiness, reliability, cost etc: I know I'll never afford a real one or ever a Thunder Mustang. But maybe this I could. Thanks

                I don't recall seeing one personally, but it looks like a deal where when you sunk 150,000 dollars into it, then it would be ready to grenade the first Chevy, and you could start on the engine development program to build an engine/reduction gearbox combo that would work longer than a few hours.
                This is the usual scenario around the airport when a Chevy/Ford/Take your Car engine pick, engined warbird replica is finished. Then the owner/builder dies of old age, the airplane has flown 7.6 hours in 21 years and the family sells the thing for $10,000, or donates it to a museum for the write off.

                Sorry to be so glum, just the usual story. Better to buy a Harmon Rocket, SX -300, GlasiarIII, or something, and paint it in some Mustang scheme and fly it until the wheels fall off. You'd be money and flying fun ahead.

                Chris...

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                  Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                  Juke, stop. Your killin' me. I'm haven't laughed this hard in a long time. I'm gonna bust a rib.
                  Sport class airplanes, how many car engines? One. Falconer V-12, derived from a car prodject, even the 45 degree configuration. Tommy Rose put three through his Thunder Mustang before success. Blue Thunder, now able to put out 450 HP on a regular basis. How do you make more power? Super/turbocharging. Whole new ballgame, with lots of failures ahead. Moral to the story, car engines are expensive, the only one worth a darn is the Falconer which has the most money spent on it.
                  Drag racing engines? They don't work in airplanes. Reason, they only turn 1000 revolutions on the track at the rated power you are reading in the magazine. Airplane engines push big torque smoothly through a reduction gearbox ( see how many work that are available for the car engine conversions, especially at more than 200 hp) to turn the airplanes motivation device. That is a propeller. The whole thing has to run for hours and hours at high power, or else it is no good to nobody.
                  You are an enthusiastic guy.
                  Chris...

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                  • #10
                    Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                    Originally posted by Unregistered
                    Blue Thunder, now able to put out 450 HP on a regular basis.

                    Chris...
                    Just wanted to state that Blue Thunder can put out 660 hp at 5050 feet (the elevation of Stead). That number is from the engine that is currently in Blue Thunder, while dynoed at Falconers shop about a year ago. That means that if Parker runs at 100% throttle, he should be putting out that much.

                    I've seen the print outs and Parker has two throttle settings: off and 100%.

                    I also agree that making a car engine work WELL in an aviation application is difficult. And while it is not impossible, making is work in an air racing application is much more difficult (I would imagine).

                    Bill
                    Bill Pearce

                    Old Machine Press
                    Blue Thunder Air Racing (in memoriam)

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                    • #11
                      Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                      Whoa, that's pretty good power
                      Thanks Bill.
                      chris...

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                        Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                        Originally posted by Unregistered
                        Juke, stop. Your killin' me. I'm haven't laughed this hard in a long time. I'm gonna bust a rib.----------------------------------------------------------------------
                        You are an enthusiastic guy.
                        Chris...
                        Thanks Chris....I knew you would response in this way sooner or later. I still want to know what the Westland Whirlwind Rolls Royce Peregrine I engines weighed..those produced 885 hp each.

                        rgds,

                        Juke
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                          Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                          Originally posted by Juke
                          Thanks Chris....I knew you would response in this way sooner or later. I still want to know what the Westland Whirlwind Rolls Royce Peregrine I engines weighed..those produced 885 hp each.

                          rgds,

                          Juke
                          Juke,

                          Aircraft Engines of the World 1945 by Paul Wilkinson has the weight of the Peregrine I as 1106 lbs. (502 kg).

                          Bill Pearce
                          Bill Pearce

                          Old Machine Press
                          Blue Thunder Air Racing (in memoriam)

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                          • #14
                            Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                            Thanks Bill !


                            I appreciate.


                            best regards,

                            Juke T
                            http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                              Re: P-51 with a 350 chevy

                              The best place to look for possible alternatives to aircraft engines in racers is offshore racing boats. I thought the Falconer was actually an offshoot of one of those motors. Offshore racers have to run at 100% for long periods of time in a VERY harsh environment.

                              One other possibility if rotary engines. They have proven to be almost indestructible in road racing and can't be beat for power to weight (not to mention size).

                              Michele

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