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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Jim View Post
    And I'll take that over "the airframe is being disassembled to TF-51 status" any day.
    Oh, you mean like Dago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Haskin View Post
    Oh, you mean like Dago?
    Congratulations, you have just been promoted to the rank of SS-1. Sh*t Stirrer, 1st Class.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Jim View Post
    Congratulations, you have just been promoted to the rank of SS-1. Sh*t Stirrer, 1st Class.......
    Im going to join our illustrious current serving fighter pilot here... If it is true Dago is being converted back to a TF yes its gutting... Dago is one of the most decorated racers out there... but is it not better to have another airplane at home in the skies even if it has trainer wheels on, than hiding away in pieces owned by a bank who dont give a crap about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiracefan View Post
    Im going to join our illustrious current serving fighter pilot here... If it is true Dago is being converted back to a TF yes its gutting... Dago is one of the most decorated racers out there... but is it not better to have another airplane at home in the skies even if it has trainer wheels on, than hiding away in pieces owned by a bank who dont give a crap about it...
    No.

    Even if it hides away like that for 15 years, eventually it would be bought and put in a museum or raced again.

    If someone buys it with the intention of turning it into anything else, I will personally find it and steal it before it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingjibus View Post
    No.
    If someone buys it with the intention of turning it into anything else, I will personally find it and steal it before it can be done.
    If you need a co-conspirator, let me know. We can paint it green with red kelp and call it "Not the Dago". No one will ever know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiracefan View Post
    Im going to join our illustrious current serving fighter pilot here... If it is true Dago is being converted back to a TF yes its gutting... Dago is one of the most decorated racers out there... but is it not better to have another airplane at home in the skies even if it has trainer wheels on, than hiding away in pieces owned by a bank who dont give a crap about it...
    Just to be clear, it's a joke...not based in any rumor or actual information I know.

    It's just my favorite running P-51 joke because of the rash of 'restorations' to TF-51s that occurred during the 1990s and 2000s.

    Every time a Mustang went in for heavy maintenance, it seemed like it popped out of the hangar wearing a TEMCO canopy and dual controls...all in the name of popularity of dual control warbird fighters, regardless of that particular airframe's actual history.

    So, I like to stir the pot any time I see discussion about Mustang restorations, especially modified racers, by claiming it is being 'restored' into a TF-51, just for fun because it's my favorite pet peeve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Haskin View Post
    Just to be clear, it's a joke...not based in any rumor or actual information I know.

    It's just my favorite running P-51 joke because of the rash of 'restorations' to TF-51s that occurred during the 1990s and 2000s.

    Every time a Mustang went in for heavy maintenance, it seemed like it popped out of the hangar wearing a TEMCO canopy and dual controls...all in the name of popularity of dual control warbird fighters, regardless of that particular airframe's actual history.

    So, I like to stir the pot any time I see discussion about Mustang restorations, especially modified racers, by claiming it is being 'restored' into a TF-51, just for fun because it's my favorite pet peeve.
    So all the Dago jokes aside, you've got a pretty good tally on numbers....how many actual TEMCO TF's were produced versus the number of TF "restorations" out in the market today? Is it one of those where there are more 'copies' than were ever produced of the real thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Jim View Post
    Is it one of those where there are more 'copies' than were ever produced of the real thing?
    Not yet, but mostly because so many of the 'originals' did not survive. The fact is, there are only a couple "original" dual control Mustangs around. Naturally, it's only the TP-51s that were built this way by North American, but I consider the TEMCO and Cavalier versions to be original, too.

    These are the serials of what I consider to be "original" dual control Mustangs; I define "original" as having actually flown in military service, rather than converted by any number of organizations post-Cavalier.

    NOTE: The one exception to this that I make is 44-84745 (Crazy Horse), as it was one of the Cavalier conversions that was simply never finished before the company folded and the holdings liquidated in the 70s. That aircraft was not purchased by the military/State Department, and never flew in active military service as a TF-51.

    North American Aviation TP-51D
    44-84610
    44-84611
    45-11443
    45-11444
    45-11445
    45-11446
    45-11447
    45-11448
    45-11449
    45-11450

    TEMCO TF-51D
    44-84654
    44-84655
    44-84656
    44-84657
    44-84658
    44-84660
    44-84662
    44-84663
    44-84665
    44-84666
    44-84667
    44-84668
    44-84669
    44-84670
    44-84676

    Cavalier TF-51D
    67-14866
    67-22582
    69-6599
    FAS 400
    72-1536
    44-73260
    44-84745

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Haskin View Post
    Not yet, but mostly because so many of the 'originals' did not survive. The fact is, there are only a couple "original" dual control Mustangs around. Naturally, it's only the TP-51s that were built this way by North American, but I consider the TEMCO and Cavalier versions to be original, too.

    These are the serials of what I consider to be "original" dual control Mustangs; I define "original" as having actually flown in military service, rather than converted by any number of organizations post-Cavalier.

    NOTE: The one exception to this that I make is 44-84745 (Crazy Horse), as it was one of the Cavalier conversions that was simply never finished before the company folded and the holdings liquidated in the 70s. That aircraft was not purchased by the military/State Department, and never flew in active military service as a TF-51.

    North American Aviation TP-51D
    44-84610
    44-84611
    45-11443
    45-11444
    45-11445
    45-11446
    45-11447
    45-11448
    45-11449
    45-11450

    TEMCO TF-51D
    44-84654
    44-84655
    44-84656
    44-84657
    44-84658
    44-84660
    44-84662
    44-84663
    44-84665
    44-84666
    44-84667
    44-84668
    44-84669
    44-84670
    44-84676

    Cavalier TF-51D
    67-14866
    67-22582
    69-6599
    FAS 400
    72-1536
    44-73260
    44-84745
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Haskin View Post
    Every time a Mustang went in for heavy maintenance, it seemed like it popped out of the hangar wearing a TEMCO canopy and dual controls...all in the name of popularity of dual control warbird fighters, regardless of that particular airframe's actual history.
    Man, I have to go with that sentiment. One of my favourite 51s was N51JK and Jack Kistler. What a guy. I always dropped by his hangar while at Chino to see his beautiful polished 51. When Simon Brown told me they were making it into a TF I almost puked. Still miss that a/c.



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