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  • #16
    Re: Just some News

    Originally posted by kiwiracefan View Post
    Im going to join our illustrious current serving fighter pilot here... If it is true Dago is being converted back to a TF yes its gutting... Dago is one of the most decorated racers out there... but is it not better to have another airplane at home in the skies even if it has trainer wheels on, than hiding away in pieces owned by a bank who dont give a crap about it...
    Just to be clear, it's a joke...not based in any rumor or actual information I know.

    It's just my favorite running P-51 joke because of the rash of 'restorations' to TF-51s that occurred during the 1990s and 2000s.

    Every time a Mustang went in for heavy maintenance, it seemed like it popped out of the hangar wearing a TEMCO canopy and dual controls...all in the name of popularity of dual control warbird fighters, regardless of that particular airframe's actual history.

    So, I like to stir the pot any time I see discussion about Mustang restorations, especially modified racers, by claiming it is being 'restored' into a TF-51, just for fun because it's my favorite pet peeve.

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    • #17
      Re: Just some News

      Originally posted by Randy Haskin View Post
      Just to be clear, it's a joke...not based in any rumor or actual information I know.

      It's just my favorite running P-51 joke because of the rash of 'restorations' to TF-51s that occurred during the 1990s and 2000s.

      Every time a Mustang went in for heavy maintenance, it seemed like it popped out of the hangar wearing a TEMCO canopy and dual controls...all in the name of popularity of dual control warbird fighters, regardless of that particular airframe's actual history.

      So, I like to stir the pot any time I see discussion about Mustang restorations, especially modified racers, by claiming it is being 'restored' into a TF-51, just for fun because it's my favorite pet peeve.
      So all the Dago jokes aside, you've got a pretty good tally on numbers....how many actual TEMCO TF's were produced versus the number of TF "restorations" out in the market today? Is it one of those where there are more 'copies' than were ever produced of the real thing?

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      • #18
        Re: Just some News

        Originally posted by Big_Jim View Post
        Is it one of those where there are more 'copies' than were ever produced of the real thing?
        Not yet, but mostly because so many of the 'originals' did not survive. The fact is, there are only a couple "original" dual control Mustangs around. Naturally, it's only the TP-51s that were built this way by North American, but I consider the TEMCO and Cavalier versions to be original, too.

        These are the serials of what I consider to be "original" dual control Mustangs; I define "original" as having actually flown in military service, rather than converted by any number of organizations post-Cavalier.

        NOTE: The one exception to this that I make is 44-84745 (Crazy Horse), as it was one of the Cavalier conversions that was simply never finished before the company folded and the holdings liquidated in the 70s. That aircraft was not purchased by the military/State Department, and never flew in active military service as a TF-51.

        North American Aviation TP-51D
        44-84610
        44-84611
        45-11443
        45-11444
        45-11445
        45-11446
        45-11447
        45-11448
        45-11449
        45-11450

        TEMCO TF-51D
        44-84654
        44-84655
        44-84656
        44-84657
        44-84658
        44-84660
        44-84662
        44-84663
        44-84665
        44-84666
        44-84667
        44-84668
        44-84669
        44-84670
        44-84676

        Cavalier TF-51D
        67-14866
        67-22582
        69-6599
        FAS 400
        72-1536
        44-73260
        44-84745

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        • #19
          Re: Just some News

          Originally posted by Randy Haskin View Post
          Not yet, but mostly because so many of the 'originals' did not survive. The fact is, there are only a couple "original" dual control Mustangs around. Naturally, it's only the TP-51s that were built this way by North American, but I consider the TEMCO and Cavalier versions to be original, too.

          These are the serials of what I consider to be "original" dual control Mustangs; I define "original" as having actually flown in military service, rather than converted by any number of organizations post-Cavalier.

          NOTE: The one exception to this that I make is 44-84745 (Crazy Horse), as it was one of the Cavalier conversions that was simply never finished before the company folded and the holdings liquidated in the 70s. That aircraft was not purchased by the military/State Department, and never flew in active military service as a TF-51.

          North American Aviation TP-51D
          44-84610
          44-84611
          45-11443
          45-11444
          45-11445
          45-11446
          45-11447
          45-11448
          45-11449
          45-11450

          TEMCO TF-51D
          44-84654
          44-84655
          44-84656
          44-84657
          44-84658
          44-84660
          44-84662
          44-84663
          44-84665
          44-84666
          44-84667
          44-84668
          44-84669
          44-84670
          44-84676

          Cavalier TF-51D
          67-14866
          67-22582
          69-6599
          FAS 400
          72-1536
          44-73260
          44-84745
          Geek.

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          • #20
            Re: Just some News

            Originally posted by Randy Haskin View Post
            Every time a Mustang went in for heavy maintenance, it seemed like it popped out of the hangar wearing a TEMCO canopy and dual controls...all in the name of popularity of dual control warbird fighters, regardless of that particular airframe's actual history.
            Man, I have to go with that sentiment. One of my favourite 51s was N51JK and Jack Kistler. What a guy. I always dropped by his hangar while at Chino to see his beautiful polished 51. When Simon Brown told me they were making it into a TF I almost puked. Still miss that a/c.



            T J

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            • #21
              Re: Just some News

              Originally posted by GRNDP51 View Post
              For one Galloping Ghost has been flying around Reno and it is fast... Reaching speeds of 540 on straight-a-ways. Some other stuff, Rare Bear doesn't have an engine in it yet and Dago Red is sitting in a field without the front of the plane., (Cowling, prop, etc.) Hope this is helpful.

              I spoke to someone "in the know" last Saturday night and the BEAR will getting a race engine hung on it in a day or two!

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              • #22
                Re: Just some News

                Originally posted by Big_Jim View Post
                Geek.
                Cut Randy some slack will ya? He's currently in the process of writing the DEFINITIVE book on dual control Mustangs.

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                • #23
                  Re: Just some News

                  Slack hell..... That was funny!!!
                  Bear..... and now Ghost Fever Forever...... John

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