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  • Boeing Stratoliner Down In Seattle

    **Note: I moved this message over here, even though not racing related, this seems more appropriate here than where I originally put it***

    Bummer!

    Nobody hurt badly, aircraft reasonably intact. Thanks to one of the board members for the tip, we just tuned into Seattle TV website and got this





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    Wayne
    Wayne Sagar
    "Pusher of Electrons"

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    Boeing Stratoliner Leaving Oshkosh AirVenture 2001

    This airplane was/is absolutely beautiful! The level of the restoration was immaculate, of particular note to this polished metal fan was the gorgeous finish on this airplane. One can only hope that they will be able to tow it up the very convenient boat ramp just aft of the tail and will be able to get under it and somehow lower the gear first. Truly a miracle that there is so little visible damage and that no one was seroiously injured! Wonderful peice of history, would have been a terrible shame to lose it.



    Wayne
    PS.. we have several more shots of this airplane that we've been trying to get ready for display and will try to do so asap.
    Wayne Sagar
    "Pusher of Electrons"

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    • #3
      My source said three runaway props.No power on R wing, only one engine on L wing. Boeing volunteers worked six plus years to restore it and get it ready to go to the Smithsonian. Pretty sad in Seattle tonight.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ShermB
        My source said three runaway props.No power on R wing, only one engine on L wing. Boeing volunteers worked six plus years to restore it and get it ready to go to the Smithsonian. Pretty sad in Seattle tonight.
        Clicking on the links above, there is now amateur video of the landing, the pilot did a masterful job of getting it down in one piece.

        One does have to wonder about the fuel remaing on board, however. I remember a similar incident several years ago when I lived in PDX where a DC-8 had a landing gear light showing or not showing. They flew around messing with it till one after the other, the engines quit on them.

        I really hate to say it, and I don't mean it in any way to cast any shadow on the pilot, who did a great job of getting her down and doubtless, fuel management was somebody else's "job" on the flight.. (though we all know it finally rests on PIC)

        But if someone wanted to bet me a $20 spot right now on how much fuel was left on that airplane, I'd say... "not enough"...

        Wayne
        Wayne Sagar
        "Pusher of Electrons"

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        • #5
          b307

          Even tho it sounds like it, I sure hope it was'nt fuel mismanagement. One of the thre worthless Quantities. Altitude above, Runway behind and air in the tanks. Wonderful job getting her down in one piece and with all souls aboard safe.

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          • #6
            Re: b307

            Originally posted by leo
            Even tho it sounds like it, I sure hope it was'nt fuel mismanagement. One of the thre worthless Quantities. Altitude above, Runway behind and air in the tanks. Wonderful job getting her down in one piece and with all souls aboard safe.
            Yep it was indeed.. The captain of the DC-8 that landed "short" at PDX also did a masterful job landing the airplane in suburban east Portland and the cockpit transcript had him query the FE several times during the manuevering while they were trying to sort out the gear indication problem.. all that considered, the FAA still frowns on any captiain when an airplane lands short, short of fuel.

            It'll be a bummer for the pilot if so. It is a miracle that it came out as good as it did though.

            Wayne
            Wayne Sagar
            "Pusher of Electrons"

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            • #7
              Today's paper shows her out of the water and being loaded for transport. They will assess the salt water damage and make their determinations for repair/restoration. Pilot quoted as having difficulty with one engine after ahooting a touch and go, so headed back. Rest of the engines then went before he could make the field. One of the pax was the guy that headed up the original restoration work project.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ShermB
                Today's paper shows her out of the water and being loaded for transport. They will assess the salt water damage and make their determinations for repair/restoration. Pilot quoted as having difficulty with one engine after ahooting a touch and go, so headed back. Rest of the engines then went before he could make the field. One of the pax was the guy that headed up the original restoration work project.
                Could have been worse to be sure! But a lot of work ahead of them and I read in one article where the Smithsonian was not sure they would return it to flight status.. I suspect a disassembly and overland trip to her final resting place will be what happens.. Or more likely, a long barge trip.

                Link to Seattle PI story http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/64667_plane30.shtml

                Wayne
                Wayne Sagar
                "Pusher of Electrons"

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                • #9
                  Recovery Photos



                  Duane
                  One more blade and a little less roar, Team Rare Bear ROCKED in 2004 !

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                  • #10
                    Re: Recovery Photos

                    Originally posted by bearfan1
                    http://www.bobqat.com/AeroBob/307/Recovery.html

                    Duane
                    Very cool.. good link Duane! Does not look too good but could sure have been worse!

                    She sure looked better at Oshkosh!

                    Wayne
                    Wayne Sagar
                    "Pusher of Electrons"

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                    • #11
                      NTSB Report

                      Preliminary NTSB report is in. Looks like fuel starvation.

                      NTSB 307 link
                      Bill Pearce

                      Old Machine Press
                      Blue Thunder Air Racing (in memoriam)

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                      • #12
                        Re: NTSB Report

                        Originally posted by W J Pearce
                        Preliminary NTSB report is in. Looks like fuel starvation.

                        NTSB 307 link
                        Pretty clear that the engines were not gettin any gas, I guess the big question would then be, was there any gas?

                        Wayne
                        Wayne Sagar
                        "Pusher of Electrons"

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                        • #13
                          Prayin' for fuel

                          I sure hope there was fuel in the tanks. I would hate to see this being pilot error. It does seem like he had his hands full at the time. I just hate to see it.

                          Bill Pearce
                          Bill Pearce

                          Old Machine Press
                          Blue Thunder Air Racing (in memoriam)

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                          • #14
                            Re: Prayin' for fuel

                            Originally posted by W J Pearce
                            I sure hope there was fuel in the tanks. I would hate to see this being pilot error. It does seem like he had his hands full at the time. I just hate to see it.

                            Bill Pearce
                            I do too, guy does that good of a job getting an airplane down with nobody hurt and the plane in better shape than could ever be expected deserves a medal, hopefully it works out that way for him.

                            Wayne
                            Wayne Sagar
                            "Pusher of Electrons"

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                            • #15
                              Knowing the kind of people involved, both pilots are Boeing test pilots, I am sure that amount of fuel aboard was not the problem.
                              In a disscussion with an individual closely involved in the recovery effort, although he was restricted in what he could say because of the ongoing investigation, he did say that during recovery while were pumping water out to lighten it, they pumped water and Fuel out of the tanks. He did not say how much.
                              No. 4 engine was running when it hit the water, and suffered the most. Including a broken engine mount. The landing gear broke off and damaged the airframe.
                              The main effort now is to prevent salt damage by fresh water rinsing, including a chemical to neutralise the salt, and disassemble components and put them in fresh water baths.
                              The aircraft is repairable, the question is $$$, and if it will ever be allowed to fly again.

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