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  • RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

    Things are getting bearly boring around here...... sooooo

    The following is a quick surf from sites like "global aircraft... et. al." ...
    not trying to split any hairs here, just have some fun ....

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    How does our favorite prop recips a/c stack up to the what is out there today, after 1945 / 55 ish times.

    MPH
    <> Race 77 = 428 (record) .... est. 444 ? swag visuals
    <> TU-95 = 575
    <> B36 6x4360 + 4x j79 = 435
    <> B50 = 395
    <> KB50J 4x4360 + 2x j79 = 444
    <> Stratofortress airliner = 375
    <> B36 (all jet) 4 or 6x j79 = "100 mph less than B52"

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    Same same with bomb loads.

    BOMB LOAD
    <> B36 = 86,000 non specific load
    <> B29 = 20,000 ''
    <> B50 = 20,000 ''
    <> B70 = no data
    <> B52 = 70,000 "
    <> B1b = 41,000 ''
    <> B2 = 41,000 ''
    <> Ruskies et. al. = bfd





    BM

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    Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

    Originally posted by Bill Marsh
    Things are getting bearly boring around here...... sooooo

    The following is a quick surf from sites like "global aircraft... et. al." ...
    not trying to split any hairs here, just have some fun ....

    __________________________________________________ _________


    How does our favorite prop recips a/c stack up to the what is out there today, after 1945 / 55 ish times.

    MPH
    <> Race 77 = 428 (record) .... est. 444 ? swag visuals
    <> TU-95 = 575
    <> B36 6x4360 + 4x j79 = 435
    <> B50 = 395
    <> KB50J 4x4360 + 2x j79 = 444
    <> Stratofortress airliner = 375
    <> B36 (all jet) 4 or 6x j79 = "100 mph less than B52"

    ==================

    Same same with bomb loads.

    BOMB LOAD
    <> B36 = 86,000 non specific load
    <> B29 = 20,000 ''
    <> B50 = 20,000 ''
    <> B70 = no data
    <> B52 = 70,000 "
    <> B1b = 41,000 ''
    <> B2 = 41,000 ''
    <> Ruskies et. al. = bfd





    BM
    Not to be pedantic (there's that word again!) but, a couple of corrections:

    - You shorted the Bear by 100mph. The Bear's record is 528.3mph.
    - The B-36 had GE J-47s not J-79s. J-79s powered such things as the F-4, B-58, F-104, etc. 4 J-79s would have pulled the wings off the Peacemaker.
    - The YB-60 (jet engined B-36) was powered by J-57s. Talk about lipstick on a bulldog!
    Link: http://www.air-and-space.com/YB-60.htm

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    • #3
      Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

      .s noted, thanks....

      Jeez, ran short of the egg nog mix last night... but the brandy did the number on me.


      BM

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      • #4
        Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

        You forgot that american turbo contraprop Thundersreech ( or suntin like it ) went 670 mph...plane was not ordered by the USAF becuse if failed to reach mach 1.0.

        Also last Italian single engine fighter SAI 403 reached 675 mph in a dive though.
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        • #5
          Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

          Uh, I don't think that would be possible Juka.....

          MAYBE 675kph (@420mph) but I would doubt that too.

          Where is that info published Juke?

          Even the much cleaner fighters of that era would have not been able to obtain that speed in a vertical dive.

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          • #6
            Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

            Does anybody know if the jets on the B-36 burnded avgas or did they have their own JP-4 tanks? And were they J-47s (F-86) or J-57s (F-100, F-101, F-102)?

            Ron Henning
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            • #7
              Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

              Yeah, they burned off the same bags as the 4360s. They had been modified to burn avgas.
              Eddie's Airplane Patch-Birthplace of the "Sonic Boom".......and I'm reminded every friggin' day!

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              • #8
                Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                Originally posted by Juke
                You forgot that american turbo contraprop Thundersreech ( or suntin like it ) went 670 mph...plane was not ordered by the USAF becuse if failed to reach mach 1.0.

                The XF-84H Thunderjet (Thunderscreech) was a single prop, only managed 447mph (720 kph), and there were many reasons it failed to draw orders.

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                • #9
                  Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                  Now THAT would be a prop for the Bear 77...



                  BM

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                  • #10
                    Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                    My formula one racer, ZIPPER, race 1, goes half as fast as Rare Bear, 77, on one sixteenth (1/16) the engine displacement and about one twentieth the horsepower. The bomb load is kinda short, tho...

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                    • #11
                      Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                      Originally posted by team zipper
                      My formula one racer, ZIPPER, race 1, goes half as fast as Rare Bear...
                      Without ADI, hot fuels, or nitrous, (at least, as far as we know...)

                      BTW, great picture of you on Jan Peters site, if you haven't seen it yet.

                      Paul

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                      • #12
                        Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                        Originally posted by AirDOGGe
                        The XF-84H Thunderjet (Thunderscreech) was a single prop, only managed 447mph (720 kph), and there were many reasons it failed to draw orders.
                        There are different opinions or data too !



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                        • #13
                          Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                          Originally posted by Uh-sure
                          Uh, I don't think that would be possible Juka.....

                          MAYBE 675kph (@420mph) but I would doubt that too.

                          Where is that info published Juke?

                          Even the much cleaner fighters of that era would have not been able to obtain that speed in a vertical dive.

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                          Uh-Sure !

                          You are kidding me aren't ya ? Even finns flew in 1939 a Fiat G-50 at speeds beyond 800 kph in a dive ( Ltn. Harmaja test flight of Fiat in Italy ).

                          Here is the light weight fighter data to SAI 403 Dardo;

                          http://www.tgplanes.com/planfile.asp?idplane=214 ( see also the link within the link ).


                          rgds,

                          Juke
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                          • #14
                            Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                            Half way of this Hungarian story is the Liutenant Harmaja recorded speed 830 kmh ( 516 mph ) with a Fiat G-50. Only one in the web.



                            Aeroelastic vibrations almost demolished the plane, but he flew the plane back to the field. He was shot down ( dead ) in Winter War flying a Fokker D XXI.

                            Insert from the story:

                            Harmaja dosáhl ve střemhlavém letu rychlosti 830 km/h, i když konstrukční maximální rychlost byla pouze 730 km/h.

                            Somehow I feel that is the most ever recorded for a open cockpit plane. Fiat G-50 was well known for its rugged construction
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                            • #15
                              Re: RACE 77 BEAR vs. TU 95 RUSKI BEAR

                              Uh-Sure...

                              I could no longer find the 670 mph claim--gotta be this other SAI 207 with 960 kmh speed MACH .86 ( my mistake sorry );

                              The high performance civilian aircraft Ambrosini SAI.7 led to the concept and development of the Ambrosini SAI.207 and SAI.403 light fighters in 1942.


                              INSERT:

                              Stefanutti then proceeded to the design of a fighter with full operational equipment including armament. This was the SAI.207 that otherwise differed from the SAI.107 only in its more powerful engine driving a three-bladed propeller. Flight trials began in 1942, and in the course of these, the first SAI.207 recorded a dive speed of 596 mph at 9,845 ft, corresponding to Mach .86.

                              Production of the SAI.207 had meanwhile been cancelled in favor of its SAI.403 Dardo (dart) derivative. This essentially was a more sophisticated version of the SAI.207 with the same type of stressed-skin wooden construction, but which had fully retractable landing gear rather than the 207's combination of retractable main gear and fixed tailwheel.

                              The first SAI.403 flew late in 1942 and revealed exceptional performance, including a maximum speed of 404 mph at 23,620 ft.

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                              BTW: Did you know that SR-71 two seater hardly reached mach 2...because of the unclean shape ?
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