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    The insurance companies will stop them, i can only imagine the field day attorneys would have if RAR became a vector for a new outbreak. Insurance companies are incredibly capable when it comes to limiting their own liability. Reno 2020 isnt going to happen.



    Quote Originally Posted by Air Boss View Post
    I remain cautiously optimistic that we'll be racing in September.

    As things move forward I would not be surprised to see the pace pick up RE: what gets opened and when. Perhaps not, but human nature being what it is, think folks will get more than anxtious to get back to some semblence of normal. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility that folks who are "jonesin'" for an airshow of any kind might be inclined to make their way to Reno.

    Lot's of unknowns of course, but I am still in the "Damn the Torpedo's, Full Speed Ahead!" mode.

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    As per the 5:30 news this morning Hot August Nights, Rib Fest, Wing Fest, Balloon Races and Air Races are still on. Will see once they gets closer what happens. Maybe I am being a bit over-cautious (we have lost some friends and a relative to this bug) but I just don't think large gatherings are a good idea until we have at least a decent treatment for this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The insurance companies will stop them, i can only imagine the field day attorneys would have if RAR became a vector for a new outbreak. Insurance companies are incredibly capable when it comes to limiting their own liability. Reno 2020 isnt going to happen.
    EDIT: 05/13 -
    You may be right re: 2020 and we're all entitled to our opinions. I respectfully disagree with the insurance aspect to some degree, however. Speaking only as an interested party here, not as RARA staff:

    First, every ticket to the event has what is referred to as an "exculpatory clause." Basically, when you purchase a ticket and enter the gate, you agree to hold the event organizer harmless and waive any liability claims against the event organizer. Some of these can depend upon the state in which the event takes place and it may be subject to the event organizer taking reasonable steps to ensure the safety and health of its attendees. Now there are a few caveats here but essentially: so long as RARA follows the guidelines put out by the state and local regulatory agencies, and takes reasonable steps to mitigate the potential of infection (signage encouraging social distancing, all marketing mat'ls encouraging use of masks, possibly handing out sanitizer, etc), they will be on fairly solid ground. That said, fact remains nothing printed on the back of any ticket or pit pass will prevent someone from filing a claim. That's the nature our our litigious society and the risk event organizers take in order to put on an event. And it's possible the coverage RARA has may exclude communicable diseases...dont' know.

    Second, no doubt RARA is in discussions with their insurance broker, carrier, and underwriters regarding this very question. I know other shows I was/am scheduled to work this year (lost four shows this year) are having those very same discussions. This subject matter is front and center for everyone in this industry right now and knowing the RARA Board as I do, it is front and center on their minds as well. I don't believe they'd move forward if their analysis indicates the risk vs. reward is unacceptable.

    Again, it's entirely possible we won't race this year...but it's entirely possible we will. Lot's of unknowns here and many moving parts that are outside RARA's (or anyone else's) control. Take it a day at a time. Hope for the best and plan for it...if it turns out otherwise, so be it. But it won't be because RARA was not prepared.
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    Most of us probably got the survey.

    From my point of view, it's looking like the big decision won't be if Reno is "allowed" to happen, but if it's the right choice to have the event financially.

    I see 4 possible outcomes:

    RARA has the event and nobody shows up
    RARA has the event and it draws a great crowd since people want to get out and do something
    RARA doesn't hold the event and their finances drop significantly to a point that might make 2021 and beyond impossible
    RARA doesn't hold the event and their finances stay relatively stable

    I think that RARA holding the event would put them in the same position financially as not holding the event, but they also have the chance a good amount of people showing up and it being a good year. If the event doesn't happen, the only positive is they might not lose money, but would that be the case?

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    Just throwing stones at the can half full crowd.

    Face covering required.

    Brain storming thoughts

    - Advance ticket purchasers get a a custom wearable bandana (with velcro closing strap in back), in a choice of various team colors. They could employ VoS Apparel for this, helping out the local economy.

    - Gate ticket purchasers get a 2020 Reno Air Race wearable bandana (with velcro closing strap in back). Again, going to help local entrepenures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GRNDP51 View Post
    Most of us probably got the survey.



    I think that RARA holding the event would put them in the same position financially as not holding the event, but they also have the chance a good amount of people showing up and it being a good year. If the event doesn't happen, the only positive is they might not lose money, but would that be the case?

    The issue is how much RARA has already spent toward holding the event this year, and how much of that $$$ cannot be refunded / recovered. Plus the need (possibly, I obviously don't have access to their financials) to have income this year to pay debts that are coming due soon. Holding the event and having low turn out could be better than holding out for a year. The question is, where is that breaking point? Then there is the issue of vendors etc. I'm sure there are some that don't want to take the risk, and some may not even be in business any more. One of the main food vendors has already closed their doors.

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    I would like to know what the pilots and crews are thinking.

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    All good thoughts here, gents. Presale of tickets, vendor commitments, aircraft/pilot registrations, volunteer attendance (that's a big factor BTW), and many other points must be taken into account. No easy task.

    I'd think pilot/aircraft registration is a key indicator of how the teams feel. Those registration deadlines have been extended (date escapes me at this time) but that's be an interesting gauge.

    I do know that one show has already said they're going ahead with their show (somebody had to go first). Thunder Over Cedar Creek in Mabank TX on the Fourth of July. A bit unique in that it's a smaller footpring and much of the crowd is viewing from their boat...sorta social distancing my defintion (unless of course they start rafting off each other!). Be interesting to see how it goes. That's the first one I know of at this point...but it's a step in the right direction.

    If I had to bet an amount of money that made me nervous, things being as they are, I'd say we're going to fly.

    I've proposed a couple "swag" things for folks who purchase early or even come through the gate and they are under consideration (right along the lines of those mentioned below). But RARA has many and MUCH bigger things on their plate right now.

    Keep putting good thoughts out in the universe, folks. With any luck at all...
    Owen Ashurst
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    Dawg, I like the ideas!

    Jason, thatís how I thought of it too. I wasnít sure how much money has been spent to date, but thought an alright turnout would be the same if not better than cutting it off now.

    Owen, I just got off the phone with one of Thunder Over Michiganís head honchoís and they just submitted something to the government with their plans and ideas. Some of those things were no static display areas, etc. They are waiting on a response to see how their show will have to be played out. Again, I donít personally see it being a matter of if RARA is allowed to hold the event, but regarding bodies through the gates, if RARA has ANY positive feedback from a government agency that could be used as a way to attract people, that could be very helpful. Something along the lines of per the government we will be mandating this and that, adding hand sanitizing stations, masks must be worn in the pits, etc. but since it is the GOVERNMENT saying you should do these things to hold a safe event, all those fanatics that listen to everything the government spits out might think they can safely attend Reno now that the government said they can. This is really stupid, but itís how a lot of people work.
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    Another thought I had, what does RARA have to lose in trying to make the races happen, even if they cancel them a week before? Are there costs that would be incurred between now and race week that I'm not thinking of?

    Basically, RARA says the show is going on, more people buy advanced tickets. They cancel the races a week before, a lot of those people will probably donate their ticket funds to RARA instead of asking for a refund. If they cancel the races now, NOBODY else buys tickets and the chance they donate "just because" is slim. In fact, if RARA cancels the races I bet a lot of people (even fans) will completely forget about them until HOPEFULLY next year (holding my breath that we can even have a Reno '21 if we don't have a Reno '20...), just like they have with Oshkosh, Sun N Fun, etc. Once it's cancelled, there's no more talk, nobody is thinking about donating, everyone either goes on as normal or starts focusing their attention towards the next airshow they hope happens, the next event they have tickets for, etc. Right now, Reno is a huge focus and I know for a fact a lot of the airshows that haven't cancelled are watching what RARA does to determine their next steps. RARA is in the spotlight here and it would be amazing to see them succeed.

    There is plenty of chat around social media with people holding on to hope that Reno goes on and they will continue to do so until RARA makes a dreadful announcement. People are pissed. Everyone is tired of this crap and it goes without saying that the majority of race fans aren't people who have been sitting at home with their hazmat suits on since March. I for one would be a lot more understanding if the races were cancelled a week before, because I know RARA did all they could to try to make it happen, until there was just no more time left....
    Last edited by GRNDP51; 05-29-2020 at 09:02 PM.
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