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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    A vaccine by the end of the year is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen. Never Been Done That Fast. The flu vaccine that they do every year? Not a big change from last year's vaccine for a very similar virus. This virus is new and there is no innate immunity to it.

    Mid next year for a vaccine would be unprecedented speed. Maybe, just maybe we have a significant fraction immunized next fall (2021) by race week. Thi s****s gonna be with us for a while. There is a huge worldwide effort to create a vaccine. And governments worldwide are slinging buckets of money at it. 50+ pharma companies are working on it. Effort and money help but It's still going to take time.

    I'm a longtime air race fan. I'm there every year for the last few decades except for the cancellations caused by 9/11 and 177. I want it to happen, but have little hope for it happening this year.

    Cheers,
    Pete
    Full Disclosure: I am NOT a Dr., a Virologist, or in any way an SME on this Wuhan crap. Just a guy who pays attention and follows the course of events from a variety of sources (NOTE: if you only get your news from CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews, you are NOT well informed). Just sayin...

    Given recent developments, it's entirely possible to have a vaccine before the end of the year. Very hopeful signs: https://www.popsci.com/story/health/...ord-september/

    As Pete indicates, others are working as diligently as Oxford. And there is always the herd immunity aspect as well, coupled with therapeutics. Will this be around for some time...absolutely. So has influenza...and we didn't shut it down when we didn't have a vaccine and we still don't. And it kills +/- 35K US citizens per year.
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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    September is still a ways off. We are going to know more over the coming months. As the Doctors and researchers get a better handle on the virus, there is still a good chance things will be much improved when September rolls around. I would also say that with all the air shows that have canceled earlier this summer, there is a chance Reno could be the biggest its been in awhile!

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    Side note, but the NFL plans to restart in mid-September as well. What that means is TBD, but they want to go forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRNDP51 View Post
    Side note, but the NFL plans to restart in mid-September as well. What that means is TBD, but they want to go forward.
    Indeed they do. I don't have anything to base this on but it's entirely possible they could startup in a NASCAR fashion. No attendance...TV only. NFL revenue from broadcast rights is like printing money in your basement. Gate is about 50% of the $255M each team receives from NFL for the broadcast rights. They'll be fine...regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reever View Post
    Reading this thread to my wife and deciding what we will be doing in September she makes the statement that "we are going anyway." We are going anyway!
    Well now that is one damn fine idea if you ask me!

    I'm remembering when we were shut down during 9 11 we were already there but could not really leave so it became the great RENO show and shine!

    I'm pretty sure the RENO area will be open pretty much by then, so if they don't have them, we attempt to have some sort of flying benefit for the event???

    Would sure generate a lot of donation $$

    Keep up the good ideas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Air Boss View Post
    Full Disclosure: I am NOT a Dr., a Virologist, or in any way an SME on this Wuhan crap. Just a guy who pays attention and follows the course of events from a variety of sources (NOTE: if you only get your news from CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews, you are NOT well informed). Just sayin...

    Given recent developments, it's entirely possible to have a vaccine before the end of the year. Very hopeful signs: https://www.popsci.com/story/health/...ord-september/

    As Pete indicates, others are working as diligently as Oxford. And there is always the herd immunity aspect as well, coupled with therapeutics. Will this be around for some time...absolutely. So has influenza...and we didn't shut it down when we didn't have a vaccine and we still don't. And it kills +/- 35K US citizens per year.
    Full disclosure here too. I am not a virologist, epidemiologist, or biologist. FWIW I'm the chief engineer of a small pharmaceutical research company and I work with some of those folks. Our current research is in engineered T-cell vaccines and innovative cancer treatments. Still early in R&D, but we are taking a shot at this one. Before that I did couple decades of engineering devices and drugs for pulmonary drug delivery.

    From my experience, there may be a promising vaccine candidate emerging from a phase 2 trial by the end of the year, or early results from a phase 3 trial, but not an approved and widely distributed vaccine. It takes time. It takes resources that are finite. There are mistakes and refinements and clinical trials. And difficulties in scaling up to make ~10 billion doses. Anyone that says they will be have an approved vaccine by end of year ready to distribute is simply over promising. Just one guys opinion, really. I wish it could be done faster. Premature death by flu and cars and guns (not getting into that here) EACH kill about 20-40 K a year. If we had let this one run wild, probably would kill 200k in US this year.

    Air Boss... Owen, not trying to spar with you here, just discussing. And THANK YOU for all you do to keep this sport going and for posting your insight here.

    Cheers,
    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Full disclosure here too. I am not a virologist, epidemiologist, or biologist. FWIW I'm the chief engineer of a small pharmaceutical research company and I work with some of those folks. Our current research is in engineered T-cell vaccines and innovative cancer treatments. Still early in R&D, but we are taking a shot at this one. Before that I did couple decades of engineering devices and drugs for pulmonary drug delivery.

    From my experience, there may be a promising vaccine candidate emerging from a phase 2 trial by the end of the year, or early results from a phase 3 trial, but not an approved and widely distributed vaccine. It takes time. It takes resources that are finite. There are mistakes and refinements and clinical trials. And difficulties in scaling up to make ~10 billion doses. Anyone that says they will be have an approved vaccine by end of year ready to distribute is simply over promising. Just one guys opinion, really. I wish it could be done faster. Premature death by flu and cars and guns (not getting into that here) EACH kill about 20-40 K a year. If we had let this one run wild, probably would kill 200k in US this year.

    Air Boss... Owen, not trying to spar with you here, just discussing. And THANK YOU for all you do to keep this sport going and for posting your insight here.

    Cheers,
    Pete
    No sparring intended here either, Pete. Just good discussion and sharing points of view (something our current crop of politicians can't seem to manage). And clearly you're more than a bit closer to the nuts and bolts of this thing. I'm just a layman trying to garner as much info as I can to make informed decisions.

    Found the Oxford approach interesting, basing the development on the SARS COV-2 virus (yet another one brought to you by the good folks in China). Hopefully this, along with several others, results in an expedited testing program and ultimately a vaccine that can be widely distributed. I'd be curious to know if there are multiple approaches used to develop a vaccine(s) that results in more than one "approved" vaccine, how would that work? Dunno...

    And thanks, Pete. I've been involved at Reno since 2002 (started as pylon judge, then deputy chief judge before my newest gig). I try to share what I can when I can. And just as you say...one man's opinion. That and $5.00 will get you a latte at Starbucks (drive thru or curbside only, tho!).

    Be well and thanks for your insights here as well.
    Owen Ashurst
    Performer Air Boss - Reno Air Races
    Owner - AIR BOSS ONE
    San Diego CA
    http://airbossone.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reever View Post
    Reading this thread to my wife and deciding what we will be doing in September she makes the statement that "we are going anyway." We are going anyway!

    We'll be there too! In 2011 my (then teenage) daughter came up to me at our camp site at St. Michael's, tears in her eyes, and said "Dad, what's going to happen next year? This what we do in September!" I told her that even if Reno was over, we'd still be there, sitting in lawn chairs on the ramp, making airplane noises if we had to.

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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    I watched a video of Dennis Sanders saying that if for some reason the Races ended, they would still be there. Now I don't hold anyone to anything like that, but who knows.

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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    They just Cancelled the Reno Rodeo for this year .....

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