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    Default Reno Air Races 2020

    I donít think itís possible to have the Reno Air Races this year with all the restrictions that are in place.

    First take the total spectator area and divide by the six foot spacing area gives you a total amount of people that can be on the site to watch the races. Not to mention how they will in force the six foot rule. My guess would be less than half amount of the people would be let inside the gate.

    Second would be the mask rule, it would nearly impossible to have the mask on all day while you are out baking in the sun. And once again the enforcement issue would be hard to do.

    The VIP and other specialty tents would greatly be effected by the six foot rule. They couldnít afford to operate with half or more people not being able to get in because of the six foot rule. How would you be able to eat or drink with a mask on.

    These were also some of the problems facing EAA Air Venture which ultimately caused them to cancel for the year. I donít mean to be negative but at this point and under these rules I canít see it happening.

    How can you work on an airplane and maintain the six foot rule. Only let one person work on at a time.

    What about all the on site camping spots, if the need to be spaced at least six foot a part this will also cut down on the number of spots that will be available.

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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    I think the idea is that in 4 months the rules wonít be as tight.
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    I think it's just a matter of time, before we hear an official announcement concerning the cancellation of the races. I don't think we're going to see any events that involve a large gathering of spectators to be held in 2020. Hopefully by the end of the year or slightly their after they'll have a vaccine.

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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by supercub View Post
    I think it's just a matter of time, before we hear an official announcement concerning the cancellation of the races. I don't think we're going to see any events that involve a large gathering of spectators to be held in 2020. Hopefully by the end of the year or slightly their after they'll have a vaccine.
    Exactly, nothing will happen until a vaccine is here. Then add-on 3-4 months before everyone gets the shot.

    The general population has done a fantastic job working together to help fight this Chinese virus. Unfortunately we still have lots of ignorant people that could care less. And with that said, I would not put my family/grandkids at risk.

    Lets just stay involved and positive for 2021.

    Last edited by Desertdawg; 05-07-2020 at 08:02 AM.

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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    I don't know if I see scenario where a vaccine is produced before restrictions are lifted, the reality is that a lot of people are seriously suffering due to a sudden loss of income and they need to get back to work sooner rather than later. There is also quite a bit involved in producing and testing a new vaccine ... especially if your trying to address a virus that has the potential to mutate and form various strands.

    I do hope that Reno 2020 happens, In fact I really hope it happens!! But I wouldn't put money on it ...

    I don't think the issue will be restrictions from states or governments, but financial realities. I don't know if I can see a scenario where by September there are enough people ready and comfortable to travel, hang out shoulder to shoulder with others, and able or willing to pay the cost of travel, hotel, tickets, etc to make Reno a financial reality. I imagine that some time in late July/early August, RARA will be evaluating their pre-sales on tickets (and whatever other metrics they have) in comparison to past years and they will have to conclude that it just doesn't make economic sense to host the air races due to the potential of extremely low attendance ... I hope of wrong!
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercub View Post
    I think it's just a matter of time, before we hear an official announcement concerning the cancellation of the races. I don't think we're going to see any events that involve a large gathering of spectators to be held in 2020. Hopefully by the end of the year or slightly their after they'll have a vaccine.
    A vaccine by the end of the year is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen. Never Been Done That Fast. The flu vaccine that they do every year? Not a big change from last year's vaccine for a very similar virus. This virus is new and there is no innate immunity to it.

    Mid next year for a vaccine would be unprecedented speed. Maybe, just maybe we have a significant fraction immunized next fall (2021) by race week. Thi s****s gonna be with us for a while. There is a huge worldwide effort to create a vaccine. And governments worldwide are slinging buckets of money at it. 50+ pharma companies are working on it. Effort and money help but It's still going to take time.

    I'm a longtime air race fan. I'm there every year for the last few decades except for the cancellations caused by 9/11 and 177. I want it to happen, but have little hope for it happening this year.

    Cheers,
    Pete

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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    A vaccine by the end of the year is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen. Never Been Done That Fast. The flu vaccine that they do every year? Not a big change from last year's vaccine for a very similar virus. This virus is new and there is no innate immunity to it.

    Mid next year for a vaccine would be unprecedented speed. Maybe, just maybe we have a significant fraction immunized next fall (2021) by race week. Thi s****s gonna be with us for a while. There is a huge worldwide effort to create a vaccine. And governments worldwide are slinging buckets of money at it. 50+ pharma companies are working on it. Effort and money help but It's still going to take time.

    I'm a longtime air race fan. I'm there every year for the last few decades except for the cancellations caused by 9/11 and 177. I want it to happen, but have little hope for it happening this year.

    Cheers,
    Pete
    Full Disclosure: I am NOT a Dr., a Virologist, or in any way an SME on this Wuhan crap. Just a guy who pays attention and follows the course of events from a variety of sources (NOTE: if you only get your news from CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews, you are NOT well informed). Just sayin...

    Given recent developments, it's entirely possible to have a vaccine before the end of the year. Very hopeful signs: https://www.popsci.com/story/health/...ord-september/

    As Pete indicates, others are working as diligently as Oxford. And there is always the herd immunity aspect as well, coupled with therapeutics. Will this be around for some time...absolutely. So has influenza...and we didn't shut it down when we didn't have a vaccine and we still don't. And it kills +/- 35K US citizens per year.
    Owen Ashurst
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    Default Re: Reno Air Races 2020

    September is still a ways off. We are going to know more over the coming months. As the Doctors and researchers get a better handle on the virus, there is still a good chance things will be much improved when September rolls around. I would also say that with all the air shows that have canceled earlier this summer, there is a chance Reno could be the biggest its been in awhile!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Air Boss View Post
    Full Disclosure: I am NOT a Dr., a Virologist, or in any way an SME on this Wuhan crap. Just a guy who pays attention and follows the course of events from a variety of sources (NOTE: if you only get your news from CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews, you are NOT well informed). Just sayin...

    Given recent developments, it's entirely possible to have a vaccine before the end of the year. Very hopeful signs: https://www.popsci.com/story/health/...ord-september/

    As Pete indicates, others are working as diligently as Oxford. And there is always the herd immunity aspect as well, coupled with therapeutics. Will this be around for some time...absolutely. So has influenza...and we didn't shut it down when we didn't have a vaccine and we still don't. And it kills +/- 35K US citizens per year.
    Full disclosure here too. I am not a virologist, epidemiologist, or biologist. FWIW I'm the chief engineer of a small pharmaceutical research company and I work with some of those folks. Our current research is in engineered T-cell vaccines and innovative cancer treatments. Still early in R&D, but we are taking a shot at this one. Before that I did couple decades of engineering devices and drugs for pulmonary drug delivery.

    From my experience, there may be a promising vaccine candidate emerging from a phase 2 trial by the end of the year, or early results from a phase 3 trial, but not an approved and widely distributed vaccine. It takes time. It takes resources that are finite. There are mistakes and refinements and clinical trials. And difficulties in scaling up to make ~10 billion doses. Anyone that says they will be have an approved vaccine by end of year ready to distribute is simply over promising. Just one guys opinion, really. I wish it could be done faster. Premature death by flu and cars and guns (not getting into that here) EACH kill about 20-40 K a year. If we had let this one run wild, probably would kill 200k in US this year.

    Air Boss... Owen, not trying to spar with you here, just discussing. And THANK YOU for all you do to keep this sport going and for posting your insight here.

    Cheers,
    Pete

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