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  1. #11
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    I don't wish to remind us of planes and pilots gone, but the record of one time Reno racers lost in non racing accidents is not insignificant. Flying old hardware has risks, period. The only flying display to draw me across state lines for 16 out of the last 17 years...Unlimiteds at Reno. In fact, no other "air show" comes close.

  2. #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMX105 View Post
    Sad...……..
    Rare Bear will look great as a stocker in shiny Navy blue, stars and bars, and a stock R-2800 back on the nose, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Adkins View Post
    I respect what Eric is doing with the T-6, and it's clear he loves Reno, but how long has it been since Miss Merced rounded the pylons? If he waits too much longer with Miss Merced and Furias there might not be anywhere to race them. Not trying to pile on Eric, I'm just worried about the future of the unlimiteds if more and more racers are sold to people who don't race or are turned back to stock.
    The future of the unlimiteds is definitely a valid concern. In my discussions with Eric and his team it sounded like he wanted to build more T6 time around the pylons before we would see Miss Merced. This might be the year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toldjaso View Post
    Rare Bear will look great as a stocker in shiny Navy blue, stars and bars, and a stock R-2800 back on the nose, eh?
    A valid plan if they want to go faster .............

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubersWrist View Post
    Would I rather a plane race or not race? The easy answer is race.
    For me the harder question is, would you rather a plane race and crash or live on as a stocker or in a museum?

    Now I know we don't really get that "choice" but I think when we start talking about decisions made by the owner I think it is worth remembering the risk. Look at PM. With 20/20 hindsight I think we all would prefer if PM had taken a year off in 2015 and come back safely in 2016. Super Corsair might be even a better example as I've read they were finding metal in the filters and raced anyway.
    Considering accidents like Pecos Bill, the two T-28 accidents recently; I don't think it's fair to really say that Reno has a higher mortality rate for warbirds. Sure it's pushing equipment further than a stocker, but technology is a lot more modern, and safety is taken in the highest regard after 2011. Furias gear collapse, same thing happened to that Fury in Europe, it happens. Precious Metal engine fire? Pecos Bill and Baby Duck are gone (with their pilots) and didn't race at Reno. IT HAPPENS. There are plenty of stock warbirds around, I will surely take the slightly higher chance of 232 being hurt at Reno than being flown as a stocker... BORING.

    Quote Originally Posted by rforslund View Post
    The future of the unlimiteds is definitely a valid concern. In my discussions with Eric and his team it sounded like he wanted to build more T6 time around the pylons before we would see Miss Merced. This might be the year...
    It doesn't seem like MM is on the horizon for this year, on their Facebook they've emphasized plenty about Miss TNT racing this year. Really sucks, may as well place in Unlimited Gold than continuously failing to place top 3,4,5,or 6 in T-6, sorry Eric it's a fact...


    I think we need to take a step back and realize nothing is confirmed yet. Now I could be VERY wrong in this assumption, but do we really think Rod cares THAT much about $750k and getting that plane out of his inventory (when it's off-site and doesn't even take up hangar space in San Antonio) Rod's worth a billion dollars! $750k is chump change for him, and it might not seem like he cares about Reno, but I'm just not sure he would sell it to someone that wants to break it down and put it back to stock, especially in another country. Just a thought...
    Last edited by GRNDP51; 03-22-2019 at 04:37 PM.
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    Default Re: 232

    Sad to see another racer go, along with the low speed nose case on 232.

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    Default Re: 232

    Nothing is confirmed yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRNDP51 View Post
    There are plenty of stock warbirds around, I will surely take the slightly higher chance of 232 being hurt at Reno than being flown as a stocker... BORING.
    Really sucks, may as well place in Unlimited Gold than continuously failing to place top 3,4,5,or 6 in T-6, sorry Eric it's a fact...
    This is my point. You are assuming that by racing there will be a safe outcome. And because you assume there is a safe outcome racing at Reno is simply asking “do I have an airplane and do I have the dollars to pay for it?”

    But there is more to it than that. Would you rather Eric race MM before he was ready, and lose the airplane maybe his life? Of course not!
    And of course what you or I want, doesn't really matter(and that's a good thing). The unique thing about Reno (and the small purse) is everyone is there because they want to be. So, Eric clearly wants to be there. He wants to fix Furias and has stated he will fly MM when he decides he is ready (also it’s not like he flies it during the year and is skipping Reno). That is something that is admirable. We should be thanking him for his support of the races and encouraging him rather than making snide remarks about “failing” in another class.
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    232 is one of the top five super-unlimited with some engine development. I will be gutted if someone buys it to return it to stock. That plane is badass! I was there on the hillside the year Hoot was flying it. His early runs were astounding. 232 was hauling ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cragdweller View Post
    232 is one of the top five super-unlimited with some engine development. I will be gutted if someone buys it to return it to stock. That plane is badass! I was there on the hillside the year Hoot was flying it. His early runs were astounding. 232 was hauling ass!
    Fastest Sea Fury ever, I do believe.
    Good thing Hoot can land dead-stick from the middle of the Pacific (space shuttle), he needed those skills each time one of those R-3350's sneezed and blew $500,000 out the pipes and down the side of the plane. All that metal circulating through that slow turning nose case is not the best for it, either.

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