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    I wanted to offer up my opinion on where the thread has gone as I agree with most of what all has been said. I know jibus has taken the flak but I feel where he is coming from. The only time I have watched the accident footage again was in the months after it happened just to understand the gravity of it. I also have watched 9/11 footage for the intent of learning more about a historic event, not being there it fills in any gaps and questions. In very recent news, I imagine most if not all of you are aware of the Yak incident at Wanaka. Of course the situation is A LOT less severe, but we still want to see video of it to know exactly what occurred since we didn't witness it first hand. If ANYONE watches the footage from these events just to see the morbid aspects of death involved then they are a disgrace to all involved with those in 9/11 or our air race family... plain and simple.

    AirJudge I read over her website and I understand what she is trying to do. I think the issue I had as well as some of the others is the first post was a plea for photos. Not a plea for stories of recovery, or efforts of the Huey crew, etc... You asked for images of the worst day in Reno history, for a few of us including myself probably the worst day of our lives.

    My hope is that this document doesn't turn into a "compilation of accident footage and pictures" for those sick minded to absorb and enjoy. That is disgusting. The only way this document should be handled is interviews and stories NOT PICTURES of what happened and how the individuals involved coped with it. I don't mean to sound rude in saying this, but I see where she is coming from... who wants a document that doesn't include the horrific photos of the crash, besides those who were there or a part of it in any way. The broader audience wants to see photos of videos of the crash and visualize where the person being interviewed was when the plane hit the tarmac. As much as I don't need to see that, how else would it attract an audience... That's why I think it's a bad cause...

    I would like to see the document be about those involved and why they continue to support Reno and its mission, just like all of us on here do. Nothing along the lines of "why didn't you sue RARA?", more along the lines of I already have my hotel booked at the Peppermill for my 36th year at Reno...

    That's all I got

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    I think the issue I had as well as some of the others is the first post was a plea for photos. Not a plea for stories of recovery, or efforts of the Huey crew, etc... You asked for images of the worst day in Reno history, for a few of us including myself probably the worst day of our lives. "

    DING DING DING.


    My bad on the shuttle account. you hear something enough times it becomes true. Doesn't change my point at all, and I am sure you can see that if you look hard enough.


    This was poorly asked, poorly responded to, and poorly handled by all involved. My feelings have not changed at all though.

    There is no reason to use accident footage.

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    IMO This couldn't have been asked any better than it was. As with anything in life, you can choose to look away, change the channel or not participate. I'm sure there is plenty of footage and photos of the efforts by all involved from that day that don't show the actual crash. Air judge didn't ask for opinions as to whether or not the documentary should be made or not and also offered to keep this "offline" via PM. It's amazing to me to see grown adults devolve this into a pissing match or claim their pain is greater than anyone else. Yes, I was there, along with my wife and several friends.

    I've been on AAFO for 15 years and have enjoyed the discussions and information a great deal but, this has about put the final nail in the coffin for me.

    I wish everyone the best and hope to see you on the ramp this September...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingjibus View Post
    DING DING DING.


    My bad on the shuttle account. you hear something enough times it becomes true. Doesn't change my point at all, and I am sure you can see that if you look hard enough.


    This was poorly asked, poorly responded to, and poorly handled by all involved. My feelings have not changed at all though.

    There is no reason to use accident footage.
    Thanks . Itís true - like the one about the kid taking out immigrant robbers 11-12 Years Ago in Butte Mt- Urban myth.

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    John H... are you saying the astronauts didn't survive the vehicle break up, or that the com recordings are fake?
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    The Recordings are fake as seen here:
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fa...ed-and-prayed/

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingjibus View Post
    DING DING DING.


    My bad on the shuttle account. you hear something enough times it becomes true. Doesn't change my point at all, and I am sure you can see that if you look hard enough.


    This was poorly asked, poorly responded to, and poorly handled by all involved. My feelings have not changed at all though.

    There is no reason to use accident footage.
    Go back and read my initial post. I didn't ask anyone on here for images or footage. I asked if anyone on here could advise the producer with contact information of others who had such images or footage. A simple request from folks who might be in the know more than I am re: such matters.

    If you (collectively) feel it's inappropriate to use such footage, fine. You're certainly entitled. Frankly, time will tell whether or not the project is well-intended and well produced. And I'm willing to let the production speak for itself and make up my own mind after I've seen it. You know...reserve judgment until I have all the facts. Seems others on here are not so willing...

    If you want to start another thread about how appropriate this production may or may not be, crank it up. Folks on here seem to be able to operated a keyboard without much difficulty. Unfortunately, as is often the case, the thread was hijacked in a different direction.
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    Air Judge is right. Some of the replies had nothing to do for what he originally asked about. Wait till it comes out & then make your comments to her directly & quit attacking one of our highly qualified members who has dedicated a large part of his life to the Reno Air Races & Air Shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John H View Post
    The Recordings are fake as seen here:
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fa...ed-and-prayed/
    Agreed... but they did survive till impact...
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    I was there. I have a shirt stained with fluids an a couple of pieces of metal and asphalt that landed in my chair (not discovered until the opening of it there the next year), so I remember it. We all deal with this stuff in our lives very differently. I have been blessed with a very high tolerance for the tragedies in my life. None of my "race mates" have been back since and some won't even go to the airport again.
    That said, I prefer to look at the positives in the accident, such as they are. I saw it later as a chance for people to shine in the face of horror.
    The announcers call for able bodied help just seconds after the crash that happened right on top of them, asking everyone else to please leave.
    The fact that the crowd for the large part followed those directions.
    The instant response of everyone on the field that COULD be of assistance.
    The Huey crew firing up for evacuation of wounded. One of the most stirring sights I saw for days after was that Huey landing in a park next to the hospital over and over.
    The fans that were injured or had relatives killed that showed up the next year.

    If we could focus on more of this about this incident, and the other tragedies that happen on a day-to-day basis, our faith in humankind would be much stronger.
    Forget it? Sweep it under the rug as a bad memory? Go ahead if you must for your own needs. But, what would we learn from that?

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