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    Default Re: Unlimited Saftey Stand Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Jackson View Post
    I hope the race fans understand that this decision to stand down was not taken lightly. I had the opportunity of a lifetime to fly the fastest plane out there and go for a victory that has eluded me as a race pilot for 25 years. Please don't think for a second I am not committed to safety. If RARA and the FAA resolve our safety concerns the field will be restored. If not, we have apparently outgrown our race venue. Times have changed and the desires of the new majority in this country have changed the rules for the worse in this racers opinion. Our government is one of indecision and lack of common sense. Who would believe that our FAA would be more concerned with a part falling off a plane and going into the crowd (Never happened ,no data available) then a plane running into another on a shrunk down race course that has no room for safe passing? two L39's June 13, 2013 Reno PRS. Go figure!!
    Matt, thanks for posting.

    Second, nearest what pylon did the L39 mid-air collision occur?

    Finally, have the rules changed from 2012 to this year? Or is there a threat of enforcement regarding the maximum altitude rule (at pylons 8 and 9)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyKidChris View Post
    Matt, thanks for posting.

    Second, nearest what pylon did the L39 mid-air collision occur?

    Finally, have the rules changed from 2012 to this year? Or is there a threat of enforcement regarding the maximum altitude rule (at pylons 8 and 9)?
    It is not that the rules have changed drastically this year from last. It is that last year after the race our pilots unanimously voted to ask for several necessary changes. One was to demand a new rule allowing for altitude deviation in the interest of safety to be determined by the pilot with no penalty to be assessed by either RARA or the FAA. We asked for a panel of our racers to evaluate any deviations and deal with the deviations within our group. We basically asked to police our own, like Nascar or any other race organization. Our experience with RARA in the past is that they can impose harsh punishment to our racers in the event of violation of any of their rules. We felt that our pilots would be worrying about violating RARA's altitude limits and stop flying their aircraft in a critical situation. I can tell you from experience that things like that concern you, when you should be otherwise focusing on flying the plane.

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    Well said Matt! The truth finally comes out. Now for the armchair quarterbacks to pipe in.

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    Not a pilot but after attending Air Races/Airshows for at least 70 years I agree with Matt Jackson as the pilots safety should be first. We don't need "restrictor plate" type of racing knowing that it is just an accident waiting to happen.Thats why it is called "Unlimited" & if you can't run with the big "Dogs" stay under the porch.Just MHOP.
    Lockheed Bob

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    Question Re: Unlimited Saftey Stand Down

    forgive me for being stupid, but how does the new class change things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowpasskid View Post
    forgive me for being stupid, but how does the new class change things?
    I'm wondering the same thing?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowpasskid View Post
    forgive me for being stupid, but how does the new class change things?

    I may or may not be addressing your question.....If I am understanding this correctly...which I likely may not be, so forgive me in advance for my guess/answer...The short confusing answer is nothing/yet everything...Many of the unlimited pilots do not want to race under the current rules which I believe are the same rules they raced under in 2012 (though I know for a fact many did not want to)...The course change and rules implemented after the GG accident have made it less safe for race pilots and they want some changes that the FAA and to some extent RARA are holding firm on...SOOooo it sounds like the new "UWRC" was formed and comprised of pilots and planes that are willing to race under the rules as is... So essentially the "new class change" does nothing to change the racing from what it was in 2012 aside from possibly eliminating pilots (and so also aircraft) that are unwilling to participate with the rules as they currently stand...I definitely understand the reasons many pilots give as to why they do not want to participate with the rules as they are...I guess what the formation of the new class does is give pilots the choice to hold firm with Matt and the Unlimited Division Board or to break away and race with the new UWRC...It's a bit like when CART and the IRL had their split, but this is much more about the safety of the pilots, than the direction of where the sport should go....I THINK?!?!?

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    I would think that the pilots would be all right with the 250' AGL rule if there could be a rules committee formed that could review the 250' AGL infraction. The committee would be composed of a FAA member, a Unlimited Pilots group member and a RARA member. If a pilot broke the 250' AGL rule then the committee would decide his or her fate.

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    I could be completely wrong here, but the way I am interpreting things by what I have read on the various sites and having talked to a few of the parties involved, this is more of a 'cooperation' issue. It is a matter of safety, yes....but it is a matter of one side digging their heels in and saying 'absolutely not' versus someone coming to the table not happy with the situation, but willing to work at it with all parties.

    Both sides have their merits and truths. As a pilot, I am the bottom line responsibility for my plane's and my own safety...and if I'm not comfortable going somewhere doing something, I won't. I can understand the FAA's and RARA's side. The accident in 2011 changed the game, whether we like it or not. Changes had to be made. Were the changes overkill? I can't say.

    As a fan, there has to be a common-sense compromise in the middle somewhere.

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    It seems to me that a pilot pushing the limits should be flying the plane & not having to worry whether he broke the rules or not under an adverse condition. After the race does he need a lawyer to represent him. It is getting out of hand. I need a cold one.
    Lockheed Bob

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