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Bill Larkins
07-11-2003, 09:01 PM
A few days ago Bill Pearce posted a request for photos of the P-82 and the B-36. That is what led to this Forum so if you like it thank Bill Pearce.
This is a test to see how the photos look and I can't think of a better example than the B-36. This is RB-36H-40-CF, s/n 61-13739, at San Francisco Airport on August 27, 1954. This is the second B-36 to land at SFO, there was a B-36A on exhibit there in October 1948. This photo is rare because the gun turrets are up and open. If there is any interest I have a closeup of the nose guns.

W J Pearce
07-11-2003, 10:08 PM
I like the new forum. Thank you Bill Larkins and Wayne. I am also interested in those nose guns.

Bill Pearce

AAFO_WSagar
07-12-2003, 09:40 AM
Bill,

The B-36 has been an airplane that fascinated me since seeing, I think it was.. Jimmy Stewart (?) in a movie that featured the airplane.

Biggest reason that it is so much of interest to me is that, even though I was old enough to know what was going on when it was in service (I think) and lived only a few miles from an active AFB (Stead) and spent most of my time staring at the sky.. I NEVER saw or heard one! :mad:

In fact, the first time I saw one (static display) was two years ago, on the way to the Doolittle Reunion... The one on display down your way.

What engines did it use, and what must that thing have sounded like? I guess another question that always comes to mind, how long was the B-36 in service.. it always seemed such a wasted design as it must have only been around for a short time?

Thanks again for starting what will be a VERY interesting addition to "Hangar Talk!"

Wayne

Curt
07-12-2003, 10:42 AM
4360's Dude!!
mucho noisy! :D

W J Pearce
07-12-2003, 08:30 PM
Wayne,

Who's Tom??? Six 4360s and most models had two (maybe four) jets in underwing pods. I could look up the number of jets and service dates but this is not "Ask Bill Pearce". I have only seen part of one at Dayton AFB. What one have you seen? I would love to see one fly and I hope someday, somehow, I will.

Bill Pearce

And the Jimmie Stewart movie was "Strategic Air Command" I think.

AAFO_WSagar
07-12-2003, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by W J Pearce
Who's Tom??? <whupps> <snip>...What one have you seen? I would love to see one fly and I hope someday, somehow, I will.

And the Jimmie Stewart movie was "Strategic Air Command" I think. Minor finger error on my message posting.. I guess I should not drink wine and type at the same time?? ;)

I saw the one on static at Castle AFB, which is now just a museum I think.. (could not remember the name) Yet to see one fly, I'd seriously doubt anyone will again.. we can hope though I guess!

Wayne
PS.. that's the name of the movie! God I loved Jimmy Stewart movies.. but, we're takin this off topic! ;)

Peashooter
07-13-2003, 05:06 AM
Guys, I got to sit in the -36 in the AFM during the WW-I fly-in a few years back. For such a big A/C, it has one tight cockpit. As for one flying, let's ask Tom Reilly what it woud cost. It would require the combined forces of Paul Allen, Kermit Weeks, Steve Fossett, etc. Maybe Fossett could set some records in one, i.e., most jack spent on a restoration!

I raced sailboats long ago with a guy who was a crew chief on a -36. Imagine cleaning and gapping 336 spark plugs!!! Peas

Bill Larkins
07-13-2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by W J Pearce
I like the new forum. Thank you Bill Larkins and Wayne. I am also interested in those nose guns.

Bill Pearce
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Here is the closeup. I think it is quite rare to see this at a public air show such as this one at San Fracisco in August 1954.

AAFO_WSagar
07-13-2003, 01:26 PM
Bill,

Very interesting view.. Do you know if the method of operation of the guns was to rotate the turret and shoot the gun of choice for the gunner or was there separat aiming of each gun?

I did not even know that there was such a gun on this airplane until these photos!

Wayne

Bill Larkins
07-13-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by AAFO_WSagar
Bill,

Very interesting view.. Do you know if the method of operation of the guns was to rotate the turret and shoot the gun of choice for the gunner or was there separat aiming of each gun?

I did not even know that there was such a gun on this airplane until these photos!

Wayne
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No, I don't know the answer to that. But there is an excellent inexpensive book on the B-36 that is part of the Squadron/Signal In Action series. It has been re-issued as No. 1042 and should be available at hobby shops and book stores. You can also get it by going on the Internet to <http://abebooks.com> and putting Jacobsen in the author block and B-36 in the title block. There are some other more expensive books, I think Jacobsen has done a $50 book on the B-36 through Schiffer Publications.

AAFO_WSagar
07-16-2003, 11:16 PM
Extremely interesting stuff Bill,

I did not even know the -36 had the retractable guns until your first post on the subject.

Pretty amazing plane, and I suppose, depending on who's version of history you listen to, one that *maybe* should have never been built (the political, or so I've heard, decision to not build Northrup's wing and build the -36 instead)

We have a somewhat famous book store here in town (Powells) that has some really offbeat stuff at times, they sell a lot of used books, I should do a raid there one day and see just what they do have.

Wayne

Curt
07-16-2003, 11:51 PM
As a Note if my brain cells are still functioning the 36 at Castle came from Chanute AFB Rantool Ill.

I have Instamatic shots of it that i took when i was going to tech school there in 79-80.
it was moved west in 91 during desert storm, talk about a big time moving job

did a fast look cant find it right now but how about a shot of a B-58?? :D
and no it is not the record setting 58 just a paint job
http://www.kpunet.net/~curt/new_page_2.htm

Curt
07-17-2003, 12:02 AM
I goofed heres the shot

Curt
07-17-2003, 12:05 AM
One More Time :p

Unregistered
08-23-2003, 03:27 AM
Had just received my private ticket in 1962... was enroute from Canton, Ohio to Peoria, Illinois in a rented 172 when I got a real close look at a B-58. I was under a very low solid overcast at about 1000 feet when I noticed a "black cloud" coming my way. As it got closer, I saw it was a Hustler with everything hanging out... and it passed close enough in front of me for me to clearly see the the pilot.... hope he saw me... atleast he missed me and I did not become history. I think he was headed for Rantoul???? I don't do formation flying... but that is the closest I have ever come to another aircraft in the air.

wallyinmemphis
08-26-2003, 01:42 PM
Oh yeah, fond memories of Little Rock AFB in 1966/67. I spent a year working on the avionics of the B-58A. An intersting plane. Thanks for the picture. The only places that I am aware of they were based was Little Rock AR. and Minot, SD.
Wally

RGRSTNDGBY
09-02-2003, 03:44 AM
If you never got to hear a "36" in flight, you have missed one of aviations best sounds. With all those 4360's exhausting rearward thru the props, it was unmistakable, tho the a/c was often too high to be otherwise noticed. Same way as you can hear if a Cessna 337 is running on the front or rear engine, except 20,000 (?) hp, instead of 260(?). A "Starship" has a similar effect. Growing up in Tucson, I heard them coming and going from DM, as well as high in the sky. I had a girlfriend that lived right off of the end of the runway, and when I say that the dishes in the cabinets rattled and danced as these dudes, as well as grossed out B 29's and B 50's took off right over her house, I ain't lyin'...rgr

AAFO_WSagar
09-02-2003, 03:50 AM
Though I cherish what's left of my "youth" (turned 52 this year ;)) I do envy you guys for what you got to see and experience during those times!

I grew up near Stead AFB and did get to see some of the early jet stuff and some of the early fling wings, I also remember regular sonic booms, as well as the familar sight of a B-51 hooked up to a tanker WAAAAAY up there... I did not get to see/hear a lot of the old prop stuff..

Sad that we *somehow* could not have saved some of each type in flight ready status..

Just so we would never forget!

Wayne

Unregistered
09-21-2003, 05:58 PM
and Bunker Hill, IN, now Grissom ARB, where one remains as a gate guard. They have a whole fleet of gate guards there. Worth a stop if you're ever on US31.

Len Ashburn

Len Ashburn
03-26-2004, 04:41 PM
Several quick memories of the B-36 -- The first ones I saw were at Kelly Field in San Antonio in 1951. I was a boot camp at Lackland and could see them landing at Kelly. I could see them on final approach but couldn't see the touch down. I could see them on roll out by looking down the street and when they passed it was like watching a train go by, they were so long.

If you happed to be outside in a quiet area when one flew over at 50,000 feet, roughly ten miles up, you hear one before you saw it. The B-36 had an extremely low frequency sound signature that literally vibrated the ground. Stemmed glasses in the china cabinet would walk to the edge of the shelf and rattle it. I am not joking, this is a fact.

I almost collided with the cargo version, the XC-99 one day at Hobbs, New Mexico. I was in a B-25 in 1955 shooting landings at the Hobbs airfield which we used as an auxiliary. They hauled a lot of freight with that XC-99 but it wasn't practical to haul it to high altitude so they flew it at 1,000 feet above the ground, right at pattern altitude. I was about to turn base and that thing went by so close I got oil spots on the windshield from those six churning, oil spewing, 4360s. Scairt the hell out of us. We kissed the ground when we landed that day. :worship:

Len Ashburn

AAFO_WSagar
03-26-2004, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the memory Len! Those of us who did not get to experience the thrill of seeing the -36 (at any distance) can relive the moment through your relation of the moment!

Hope to see you at Reno this year!

Wayne

Leo
04-07-2004, 08:05 AM
If you like the B-36, try watching "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart.
Rent it or buy it, the movie channels cut out a lot of the incredible flying scenes.
B-36's and B-47's in the clouds, wow!

Leo

AirDOGGe
04-08-2004, 01:47 AM
"Strategic Air Command"

Somebody already mentioned that movie on the first page of this thread, I believe.....Yep, always liked that one.

Seeing airborne peacemakers is one pleasure I have never had the chance to enjoy....My youthful memories consist of watching B-52's passing low over my great-grandfather's house on final for Castle...

Speaking of Castle and it's B-36 (really called an RB-36H), here's the "poop" on that mighty bird:


The aircraft on display at Castle Air Museum is one of only four B-36 aircraft remaining and the only reconnaissance version. It served with the 28th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing at Rapid City Air Force Base, South Dakota (Ellsworth AFB after June 1953) from 1952 to 1957. In 1957, it was sent to Chanute Air Force Base, Illinois. There it served as a ground instructional airframe and finally was part of Chanute's Air Museum. It was brought to Castle in 167 pieces, requiring 11 flatbed railway cars to move it. It took the efforts of dozens of volunteers and two and a half years of work to reassemble and paint the B-36.

CLICK this link for the page I quoted, with much more info and a sweet photo:
http://www.elite.net/castle-air/b36.htm
.

holly711
04-14-2004, 10:47 AM
I was fortunate growing up on a farm in Bloomington, California.
Our farm was about 10 miles off the end of and in direct line with
the runway for March A.F.B. in Riverside, Ca. I can remember listening
to the differant sound and watching these BIG suckers seemingly
struggling for altitude ........... I've also witnessed the flying wing
(prop version) come out of March also. I don't know if it ever landed there but, it was overhead a time or two........Like a pass maybe......

:1zhelp: Can any one help me find a picture of an older
Formula 1 raceplane called the "T tailed Rivits" ?
Where should I go for info about this aircraft ??
Thanks in advance

Peashooter
04-14-2004, 11:26 AM
Somebody already mentioned that movie on the first page of this thread, I believe.....Yep, always liked that one.

Seeing airborne peacemakers is one pleasure I have never had the chance to enjoy....My youthful memories consist of watching B-52's passing low over my great-grandfather's house on final for Castle...

Speaking of Castle and it's B-36 (really called an RB-36H), here's the "poop" on that mighty bird:



CLICK this link for the page I quoted, with much more info and a sweet photo:
http://www.elite.net/castle-air/b36.htm
.

Top speed of 416 -- imagine a B-36 doing a hot lap at Reno!!!! Fifi did 330! Hello, Tom Reilly?

hattend
04-14-2004, 12:27 PM
:1zhelp: Can any one help me find a picture of an older
Formula 1 raceplane called the "T tailed Rivits" ?
Where should I go for info about this aircraft ??
Thanks in advance

Here is a 3-view: http://webpages.charter.net/rcfu/PlansDrawings/images/Rivets.gif

W J Pearce
04-15-2004, 11:11 AM
This is from memory so I have not fact checked it but, not too long ago I spoke with a RB-36 (I think) crew chief; his last name was Piper. He said that the -36 we an absolute pain in the ass to keep going. He said it was not uncommon for an RB-36 to go out on mission and come back with one of the 4360s shut down because it had consumed all the oil. He said each engine holds something like 187 GALLONS! No problems, just normal consumption.

Now I was a pax when and TSIO-520 went through 12-13 quarts, and a friend of mine went through all the oil on a DC-3 (44 gallons on each side), but both of those were due to mechanical failures/issues. I just can't imagine "using" 187 gallons of oil.

Bill

Len Ashburn
04-27-2004, 08:07 PM
Read about one of the B-36's black days. It must have been something to see . . . . . .

http://www.cowtown.net/proweb/tornado/tornado.htm#1090