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p51dplt
02-18-2009, 10:26 PM
For those interested, Discovery channel star Jesse James will be at Stead the next few days filming a show about air racing. He is supposed to get some dual with Dan Vance in his SNJ and then transition to the cockpit of the TF51 Lady Jo for some racing instruction and a go at the pylons. Should be an interesting few days....

Spaghetti

Dave65882
02-19-2009, 01:20 AM
Good to be known huh? I might have to wonder out ther and see this plus check on the bear cave to see how things are going. Thanks for the info

JET1
02-19-2009, 07:40 AM
..my personal opinion of a tattoo covered self styled gangsta is not really the image that air racing needs. He could at least wear a ball cap CORRECTLY.....IMHO of course:dunno:

Leo
02-19-2009, 08:15 AM
Maybe not, but any exposure for Air Racing would be good. Maybe his fans will want to see it for real and another generation starts. I had a coworker at my night job tell me he had moved to Stead from Cali last October. I mentioned Air Races, his comment was "they RACE airplanes?"

How's Sparknots engine coming Spaghetti? And how is papa doing?

paintboy
02-19-2009, 08:52 AM
Its really too bad the tv network wouldnt pony up the insurance money to cover September Pops engine, otherwise they would have had the use of a legitmate racer (400 + MPH). That was the only thing keeping Pops from this shoot. I guess you can make a 300 mph Mustang look like its going fast, post production. LOL. I hope this gives RARA some much needed publicity and gives the thrill seeking junkies a reason to come out to Reno and see the "fastest motorsport" on the planet.

Dave

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 09:14 AM
James is doing something right, I guess appealing to mainstream which would make his blood boil if he read this. He is talented but too full of himself. I've seen him crash his saturday night special race car if u want to call it that. He has no clue!! Low level flight has no tolerance for mistakes. God be with him!! I think I may have to head up today and check it out.

Race5
02-19-2009, 09:14 AM
Its really too bad the tv network wouldnt pony up the insurance money to cover September Pops engine, otherwise they would have had the use of a legitmate racer (400 + MPH). That was the only thing keeping Pops from this shoot. I guess you can make a 300 mph Mustang look like its going fast, post production. LOL. I hope this gives RARA some much needed publicity and gives the thrill seeking junkies a reason to come out to Reno and see the "fastest motorsport" on the planet.

Dave
What's REALLY too bad is that Discovery wouldn't come film a real team during the races, and give the sport coverage that way. Instead they have to do a "reality" type show about a washed up bike builder flying airplanes.

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 09:31 AM
Is anyone in the Bear Cave? I'm going up. If I can get close to Jesse I have to give him some crap. Tell him something like, "hey Jesse, food for thought, most people don't walk away from a crash." Sorry, I just don't like the guy. He's too Hollywood!

thunderstangfan
02-19-2009, 09:40 AM
HATERS!!!! YOU GUYS NEVER HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 10:15 AM
Dude, It has nothin to do with tatoos! I see u r very proud of yours! Jesse has made his fortune being cool when in fact he is not! Just voicing my opinion.

flyingjibus
02-19-2009, 10:48 AM
Jesse has made his fortune being cool when in fact he is not! Just voicing my opinion.


1000's of West Coast Custom's customers would disagree with you.

Some one who is full of himself being involved in Air racing??:eek:

Any exposure this sport gets is a good thing.

Jus sayin....

eldon2101
02-19-2009, 11:49 AM
I like Jesse James, any press that shines a positive light on what happens in Septemebr is good. Jusat land the Lady on all three on the dotted runway and I will be happy. Plus is married to Sandra Bullack maybe she will cvome this year.

Lockheed Bob
02-19-2009, 12:16 PM
Maybe he could get with Tom Cruise & make a real Air Race movie? Does Mr. Cruise ever fly "Kiss Me Kate" & does he really own it? :dunno:

eldon2101
02-19-2009, 12:40 PM
They could call it Top coast racer. Tom can play a older man with woman troubles and wears dark glasses. He has lost his nerve as a racer and Jesse can make him a bad a## racer in one week with a bunch of engineers fresh out of school and Tom at first is not thrilled about it however in teh end he does teh right thing. Wins the race and the young ladies heart. If we are lucky Sandra will show up in the movie somewhere

Arctic Cat
02-19-2009, 12:41 PM
Are you kidding me! Have you seen what he can do with his bare hands and a piece of aluminum? I'm not really into the tatoos and I think choppers are a joke as a motorcycle, but I the guy has turned a talent into a huge business, and he isn't all that keen on the fame thing. So he has the resources now to put something together to fly in some racers and all you guys can do is say somethng negative.

eldon2101
02-19-2009, 01:11 PM
He owns a metal fab machine that was used in Germany to build Bi-Planes for WWI. I hope I did not come across as negitave. The guy is super nice. Been to his place as a tourist they were super cool there talk to you about whatever you wanted.

Matt58
02-19-2009, 02:54 PM
I fully understand that everyone is titled to their opinions, and I respect every one of them.

Does anyone have any idea what this could mean to this sport and its future? It is a HUGE step in the right direction. Like him or dislike him, he has a MASSIVE fan base that will possibly tune in to watch and possibly be turned on to this sport. His fans are gearheads like some of us. Hell, 75% of my love for the sport is the mechanical aspect of it. Has anyone seen what this guy can do to metal? Simply amazing!!! I think we need to welcome any type of publicity we can get since the future is unclear.

I know that not a lot of people like him, but this is what we need!!!

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I just returned from Stead. Jesse does not have a pilots license. He rode in the back is what I was told. Ok, I agree, the publicity is good for the sport. He is amazing when it comes to bending, cutting and welding metal. He scored Sandra and that is huge so go figure! Got some pics but can't figure out how to down load with a url #?

wingman
02-19-2009, 04:55 PM
I hate to show my age and ignorance here, but who is Jesse James? I've never heard of the guy...

Race5
02-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Hans, click on post a reply, then scroll down to the button that says "manage attachments". Click on that and then click browse and go to the folder you have them in on your pc. Then click attach. It's pretty self explanatory once you see it.

Nick
02-19-2009, 05:22 PM
I hate to show my age and ignorance here, but who is Jesse James? I've never heard of the guy...

Wiki link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_G._James

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 05:33 PM
Thanks #5...here it goes.

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 05:49 PM
A reliable source told me Rare Bear is in hibernation in the old bear cave. Nobody there. Mike Browns fleet was bought by Lewis!! Is this old news? So what's he going to do with Sept Fury and Pops and Big Boss Man?

Inverted
02-19-2009, 05:56 PM
I dont know why people are hating on Jesse James.... Really shows the current demographic of the Reno Air Races.

I happen to think any air rare exposure is good no matter who is at the controls. To get younger, different ranges of people involved in this sport is exactly what it needs.

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 06:36 PM
I can see it now, a P-51 with a couch fabricated inside the cockpit and a nasty sound system blasting hip hop! Can we at least mandate Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd. Tattoo tents in the midway! Demographics? Ok Mr Inverted, you apparently have not seen any of his shows. He complains about fame but I think if you accept the money then u have to accept the hassle. He built a brewery on a truck, drove it up to Mammoth then is rude to the hikers seeking his autograph. I play in the Sierra and race motocross in his backyard and I don't think he needs to be so single minded and arrogant. I hate to see him become the poster child of the Reno Air Races thats all.

Inverted
02-19-2009, 06:50 PM
Buddy I have seen the shows... Did you happen to see the one where he made a flying car? I would say he has a pretty creative mind, thats IF you have seen his shows.

Your statement makes it real clear why Air Racing only appeals to a small few.... And also pretty hypocritical saying he is single minded. Yet because he doesnt listen to your music or dress the way you do, you dont want him involved in air racing...Very interesting.

r_willy
02-19-2009, 07:03 PM
http://tinyurl.com/boe96c
http://www.ktvn.com/

:dunno:

MMPerk
02-19-2009, 07:51 PM
I stopped by out there just as things were wrapping up. I thought the guy was pretty cool, but then I didn't ask for his autograph. An unnamed RARA official thinks that this could be a shot in the arm for the Air Races. I don't see him becoming the 'poster child' of the air races. This has the potential to draw new people to the races, and that is a good thing. But then I like to think that my glass is half full, either that I have the wrong size glass.

When the show airs in May, look for an Air Racing spot to coincide with the show.

LP

Hans Oberev
02-19-2009, 09:57 PM
I'd rather have Billy Lane on our side! Do u know who he is Inverted? I'd like to see Jesse c walk'n in Jackson Hole with Sandra, lol! The guy was totally dissin the Alpine look at Mammoth. I don't mind c walkin in Vans or sporting Dicks and a New Era 5950 but just don't diss the rest of us because we're different. Your not picking up what I'm throwing down!

Propellerhead
02-19-2009, 10:28 PM
Wow.

Next thing you know someone is gonna tell me that Chuck Yeager isn't a kindly old man, but a grouchy old a$$hole.

thunderstangfan
02-19-2009, 10:28 PM
the point is we would like to have EVERYONE on our side...weather you like it or not guys like jesse james and tom cruise have the potential of bringing lots of fan interest.

r_willy
02-20-2009, 06:28 AM
Another brief article: http://tinyurl.com/afcg3k

This gives a taste of the potential audience and mentality if you don't know what Spike TV is all about: http://www.spike.com/

Guess it's a generational thing . . .

paintboy
02-20-2009, 08:26 AM
You people are simply just are NOT getting it! You put too much value on the face and what it brings to the table. It's the "exposure" that the sport needs, and if this little dity brings ONE new fan to the races, RARA will have accomplished it's goal. How about all of you, who claim to love this sport, get behind what RARA is attempting to do, especially in these trying economic times.

Dave

Hans Oberev
02-20-2009, 09:08 AM
I guess if Street Vibrations lets the Hells Angles set up a tent then we should welcome Jesse. Does this mean RARA will have to build another grandstand. Look out Section 3! He does have some redeeming qualities. He had nothing but respect for the masters on one episode when his team of the best of the best in the hotrod world chopped a car. He was totally in awe when he interviewed the master of "The Wheel". And who can forget that piece when he and Ross from the Tonight Show got together!! That was hysterical!! Read his bio on Wikipedia. Just know who you are jumping in bed with.

r_willy
02-20-2009, 09:16 AM
What comes next -- "Pimpin' My P-51"?


:1zhelp:

Leo
02-20-2009, 09:20 AM
I don't see Jesse as a spokesman, changing this into a brawling, tattoo ridden, silicone babe event. All he is doing is something different on his show (he has stated that he intends to experience every extreme motorsport he can) and if that brings more curiousity to the fans and brings them to Reno then great!
The truth is that Street Vibrations brings far more money into the local economy than the Air Races. The races are way back behind several events including the Rib Cook-off. If the races have more fans, and make more money, they will be more valuble to Reno. Tho for the fans it is all about the planes and the racing, to the businessmen involved in bringing this about it is all about money. RARA may be non-profit but the casinos and hotels are not. If they make a lot of money off of us they will do their damndest to support and protect the event.
I don't care if Bozo the clown supported it (wait, Ray Cote has already done that) as long as it brought new fans and SPONSORS in.
Matbe his involvement, no matter how small, will bring other celebrities into it. The purists may not like it but a couple of big names involved would bring in their fans also. How many of Tom Cruise's fans would come just to see the plane he supports race?

Hans Oberev
02-20-2009, 09:49 AM
Propellerhead, that was funny!
Leo, good points!!
Just a thought to bring the excitement and energy from Stead back to Reno. Why not have the awards ceremony at some venue in Reno?? Kind of like they do in the Olympics. We need coordination with the local restaurants and bars in Reno to tap into this energy. We don't have any official drinking holes! It could be a giant party (celebration). Parading racers through downtown Reno is a little off the hook but we need some effort here in self promotion. The casinos should be rocking this event!! It's the only race of its kind in the world. Reno needs to reinvent itself cuz the gaming industry is hurting right now along with everything else.

Inverted
02-20-2009, 09:51 AM
Ya you guys are right, I agree with you now. What this sport needs is MORE overaged PBR drinking rednecks :beerchug:

flyingjibus
02-20-2009, 09:53 AM
I guess if Street Vibrations lets the Hells Angles set up a tent then we should welcome Jesse. Does this mean RARA will have to build another grandstand. Look out Section 3! He does have some redeeming qualities. He had nothing but respect for the masters on one episode when his team of the best of the best in the hotrod world chopped a car. He was totally in awe when he interviewed the master of "The Wheel". And who can forget that piece when he and Ross from the Tonight Show got together!! That was hysterical!! Read his bio on Wikipedia. Just know who you are jumping in bed with.

Jesse was up in section three last year. I dont think we will need a new grandstand.

Leo
02-20-2009, 10:00 AM
What this sport needs is MORE overaged PBR drinking rednecks

As long as they buy it at the Air Races or downtown! I would just like to see it grow a little and then maybe we will see more enthusiasm downtown other than the occasional "Welcome Air Race Fans" banner.

Skyracer
02-20-2009, 10:35 AM
Propellerhead, that was funny!
Leo, good points!!
Just a thought to bring the excitement and energy from Stead back to Reno. Why not have the awards ceremony at some venue in Reno?? Kind of like they do in the Olympics. We need coordination with the local restaurants and bars in Reno to tap into this energy. We don't have any official drinking holes! It could be a giant party (celebration). Parading racers through downtown Reno is a little off the hook but we need some effort here in self promotion. The casinos should be rocking this event!! It's the only race of its kind in the world. Reno needs to reinvent itself cuz the gaming industry is hurting right now along with everything else.You mean, make it like it used to be!

AAFO_WSagar
02-20-2009, 10:37 AM
A couple of "us" are very tempted to kill this thread... I don't get some of you guys.

There are threads here and elsewhere that complain that we never get any national publicity out of the media.. then someone makes a movie and all you can talk about is how badly it sucks... even though, the honest efforts of some really good RACE folks went into making a film that would appeal to an entirely new audience..

Someone else decides to take a very popular TV personality and use the RENO races as a backdrop for a show or maybe two..

All you can do is bitch about it.

I'm only citing two of the most recent examples..

If and it's a huge IF, we can ever gain the national and international exposure that would help carry this sport in this "new" century, it's going to take the "Jesse Jame's", the "Pimp my P-51's", dare I say, Paris Hilton's of the world to make it happen!

Wide World of Sports carried the races for years, so did ESPN.. neither proved to widen the audience.

NASCAR is known today world wide, it's an American Icon sport.. yet, it took a movie that all NASCAR fans hated to bring it into the mainstream living room in America.

Sorry folks, this is just how it works in the exposure business. RARA could spend millions they don't have on ads in Time, Life, NBC, ABC, etc etc etc and it would not widen the audience for this sport.. it's going to take people seeing their hero, not necessarily, YOUR hero in a raceplane or working with/on one (can you see Paris working on the Bear for a race week? :D) to bring it to any but the die-hard fans who already put butts in seats for RARA's bottom line..

As with the basic rules of this forum, I'm going to ask you to quit trashing the individual you are currently trashing. This message board is open to the world to read and over 3,000 people a day read here.. most, as guest viewers. You do not have to register to view posts.. Maybe even Jesse reads here.. how would YOU feel if you read yourself being trashed for doing what you do?

Maybe he'd even decide to kill the whole episode... how good would that make us feel?

OK.. off my soapbox, but behalf of many, I'm asking that you can the trashing, and please try to look at the bigger picture....

ebutner
02-20-2009, 11:12 AM
Hey Wayne,
How about a reality show "Pimp my Plane." Where they follow the total resoration and or race mods of a P51 to get it race ready and then the race. On national TV... I think that would sell and get people. my .02

Eric

Hans Oberev
02-20-2009, 11:27 AM
Good idea but be careful with your word choice or the plug will get pulled by the czars!

We could have a guy like Jack Roush go through the process of looking inside a Merlin and figuring out what makes it work and at the same time going back and trying to dig up the notes of Dwight Thorn or Mike Barrows but would that be as exciting as watching a tv celebrity appealing to the mainstream? It says something about our culture...sad!! Glam and Glitz rules I guess.

Skyracer
02-20-2009, 11:34 AM
Glam and Glitz rules I guess.Always has, always will!

Victor Archer
02-20-2009, 12:37 PM
Well he will have to pass PRS...
If he does then may be it will be a good thing.

How much flying time does he have?
In what type of aircraft?

One other question: Has any other pilot ever been able to get training on the course at Reno other than during PRS or did I get something wrong I thought he was going to go around some pylons???

T. Adams
02-20-2009, 12:55 PM
I hate to show my age and ignorance here, but who is Jesse James? I've never heard of the guy...

Come on Neal, he robbed banks with his brother, you were a kid back then right??:D

FENCELINER
02-20-2009, 01:31 PM
Well said,"Pusher of Electrons" :thumbsup:

kiwiracefan
02-20-2009, 02:34 PM
Wayne, i totally agree.... it may need someone who is a major celebrity like the jesse james or (gulP) paris hiltons of the world to get people into the sport... I know that i first watched action from reno in 1995 or 96 on sky tv here in NZ when they had ESPN's coverage of the races and it got me hooked.
Yes jesse James has a past, everyone does.. just cos he is covered in tattoos and built motorcycles and cars on tv doesnt mean that the exposure is negative... hell if the guy loves it and says so on his tv show there are millions of people who watch his programs cos of who HE is...
and to point other posts out what about the tom cruises etc of the world who are major stars and are aviation nuts... him John travolta are two who come to mind off the top of the head.. yes we may not agree with their beliefs etc but by them buying & flying warbirds etc they are keepin OUR aviation HISTORY alive and kicking... I know for one i support this move by RARA to try and expand the audiences... heck i know lots of people in NZ who are motorsport nuts yet they have never heard of the NCAR and reno... i show them clips on the likes of youtube and they are likw holy cow i like this!

my rant is now complete

Pylon1_Mark
02-20-2009, 04:38 PM
Come on Neal, he robbed banks with his brother, you were a kid back then right??:D

:1poke: come on Neal - you can't let that stand :lol3:

Inverted
02-20-2009, 04:59 PM
Wayne is exactly right. The same people on this threads wishing Air Racing would get more attention are the same ones complaining. How could you possibly grab national or international attention by appealing only to one demographic??? Its impossible. I welcome anyone and everyone to grab some racing spotlight, if it brings more fans I am all for it. Too many race fans consider reno more a secluded huddle more than welcome all racing, which is hurting the sport.

supercub
02-20-2009, 06:40 PM
Last year I sat down and started talking to the guys next to me. Finally traded names and the one gentlemans name was Jesse James......in choking with him, I asked any relationship to the Jesse James on TV and the reply was "yes" he's my nephew. The other guy was his father and a couple days later a couple of cousins showed up too. All a bunch of very nice guys and they come to the air races every year. Maybe they'll read this and can add some comments themselves. I do know that right after the races last year Jesse's father was going in the hospital I believe for some tests.....I do hope everything turned out well......Looking forward to seeing them this year at the races.

As far as Jesse James doing a TV show on the Air Races, I hope it will be a positive thing for the sport. I envy Jesse's mechanical skills and his metal fabrication expertise. Can do without the tattos, but to each his own, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.
Brian

JET1
02-20-2009, 06:51 PM
Well he will have to pass PRS...
If he does then may be it will be a good thing.

How much flying time does he have?
In what type of aircraft?

One other question: Has any other pilot ever been able to get training on the course at Reno other than during PRS or did I get something wrong I thought he was going to go around some pylons???

I think it would be hard to get through PRS without it...I'll see in a few months though...

MMPerk
02-20-2009, 07:10 PM
Mr. Wayners made a good point,

If you don't think that many people, a number of whom we talk about here don't pay this site a visit and read what is being discussed here you are very wrong. Yesterday while I was at Stead, someone asked me about my condition and if I was feeling better, and I knew that this had been the only public place that I had said anything about my health. It's proof enough to me that 'others' do stop by and read up on what we all discuss here. I personally hope that if Jesse James happens to read any of this that he'll take it with a grain of salt and realize that not everyone here is a 'hater'. I wish him the best, and I'm pretty darn thankful that he's shown an interest in the sport that most of us dearly love.

Peace and joy to all...

LP

AAFO_WSagar
02-20-2009, 08:53 PM
I think it would be hard to get through PRS without it...I'll see in a few months though...I think some of us have mis-read the original post, regarding whether Jessie was trying to actually race, or, is he just getting an "up close and personal" "media" dip on the course with one or more of the racers, backing up a probable interview with same, about what it is they (the racers) do here.

It's significant that things that happen only at RENO are getting a closer look, maybe, even.. we'll see others celebrating this country's Air Racing past, and its significance with events of today...

Anyway.... Regarding the first thought..

I'm thinking, it was the "up close and.." side of it that is reality.

supercub
02-20-2009, 09:38 PM
Last year I sat down and started talking to the guys next to me. Finally traded names and the one gentlemans name was Jesse James...... Joking with him, I asked any relationship to the Jesse James on TV and the reply was "yes" he's my nephew. The other guy was his father and a couple days later a couple of cousins showed up too. All a bunch of very nice guys and they come to the air races every year. Maybe they'll read this and can add some comments themselves. I do know that right after the races last year Jesse's father was going in the hospital I believe for some tests.....I do hope everything turned out well......Looking forward to seeing them this year at the races.

As far as Jesse James doing a TV show on the Air Races, I hope it will be a positive thing for the sport. I envy Jesse's mechanical skills and his metal fabrication expertise. Can do without the tattos, but to each his own, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.
Brian

Tried to correct an error in the above posting and I ended up double posting..........stupid computers..........or maybe it's the operator........naw, it's the computer
QUOTE=supercub;68719]Last year I sat down and started talking to the guys next to me. Finally traded names and the one gentlemans name was Jesse James...... Joking with him, I asked any relationship to the Jesse James on TV and the reply was "yes" he's my nephew. The other guy was his father and a couple days later a couple of cousins showed up too. All a bunch of very nice guys and they come to the air races every year. Maybe they'll read this and can add some comments themselves. I do know that right after the races last year Jesse's father was going in the hospital I believe for some tests.....I do hope everything turned out well......Looking forward to seeing them this year at the races.

As far as Jesse James doing a TV show on the Air Races, I hope it will be a positive thing for the sport. I envy Jesse's mechanical skills and his metal fabrication expertise. Can do without the tattos, but to each his own, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.
Brian[/QUOTE]

Tried to correct the above posting, and ended up double posting.....stupid computers............or maybe it's the operator........naw, it's the computer LOL Sorry about the mess

h34race
02-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Hello all if any of you guys have ever watched jessies shows he is a true craftsman that is respected everywere he goes,I feel he would help the sport not hurt it,he brings alot to the table and transends many walks of life,everything I have seen him do he himself does with his own two hands,and god help you if you challange him and don't have the balls or the know how to back it up, he can do almost anything and doesen't have to throw $$$$$ at do to lack of smarts,just to give it the bitchen factor yeha that he will empty his wallet.My self I would like to see Jimmy shine from So-Cal speed and jessie James start a raceteam and bring the big bucks from discovery channel with them that would be a show I would watch,have the boys get help from many oldschool plane guys and rework a plane for reno what a shot in the arm and maybe even save a plane or 2,Mr james's presance is a goldopertunaty if we don't embarasse are selfs

MMPerk
02-21-2009, 02:57 PM
h34race makes good points,

Does anyone know anybody connected with Discovery Networks? Like the auto restoration projects that they've done, the same thing could be done for air racer. Pimp my P-51 may not really be that far off the mark. I can see the opportunity now a little better than a few days ago.

Time for some phone calls, and emails, and letters...do people even send paper letters anymore?

LP

AAFO_WSagar
02-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Pimp my P-51 may not really be that far off the mark. I can see the opportunity now a little better than a few days ago. :thumbsup: :beerchug:

Victor Archer
02-21-2009, 09:04 PM
So if you sent Sparkly to Pimp my P-51 it would come back all chopped and channeled, slick turtle deck, clipped... No, wait... Lear jet wings yeah that's it, hot Strega/Dago style race motor and a totally bitchen hot rod style paint job... Oh yeah fuzzy dice hanging from the gun site?? Huh huh... That would be SICK!!!! DUDE!!!

Dave65882
02-21-2009, 10:20 PM
What an interesting thread......Hey, i have been a fan since i was eight, many of you have had beers with me whether you knew it or not, so hopefully you know i am a down to earth guy. (here it comes)

Now that said, yes i want more people understanding and following the air races, I want more dollars coming in to ensure this will be around for my kids kids......but, I do not buy the any publicity is good routine. Now I know next to nothing about James, and he had the same ride i did when i got to go up in a 51 so i respect that....but are we really wanting the Paris Hilton crowd (other than the ovious benefits to us single guys)......I guess i look at it like this, I was taught air racing, i taught my kids, they will teach theirs. But much like my other loved sport, hockey, it will never be a main stream event. Instead of pinning our hopes on the what ifs, maybe we should continue to grass roots discuss the event and get people hooked via that route.


Hey, I am a finance guy so what do I know, but one thing I always enjoyed about the races was the true passion about them from all fans, and quite frankly it would make me sick to sit in the pits and here some socially ignorent stuck up person asking why the planes all had props on them........Unless it was a very attractive young women who i could swoop in and impress with my knowledge....lol, just kidding guys and girls

MMPerk
02-22-2009, 11:27 AM
I guess i look at it like this, I was taught air racing, i taught my kids, they will teach theirs. But much like my other loved sport, hockey, it will never be a main stream event. Instead of pinning our hopes on the what ifs, maybe we should continue to grass roots discuss the event and get people hooked via that route.

Another very good point. Lots of good points being made here. I try to sell all aspects of what that one week in September has to offer. Some come to check out the races, some dig the air show, and others have come to see the aircraft of National Aviation Heritage Invitational. RARA puts on a great event that appeals to many. As for me, I love it all. I would love to see the likes of John Travolta and Tom Cruise, and others that enjoy aviation get even a little more involved with Reno. And while this may never be a mainstream event, the extra draw of a little 'star' power wouldn't be a bad thing...would it?

Anyway just a thought or two, a big thanks to Wayner for providing a place for us to 'cuss and discuss' one of my greatest passions.

LP

Inverted
02-22-2009, 01:45 PM
Its that grassroots mentality that almost closes the doors on air racing for outsiders. Speed has a universal attraction, you dont have to be a pilot or aviation lover to enjoy air racing. But I think there are too many people who live in the past in this sport, wishing it would go back to the way it was, or holding it where it is now, stops progression. We really need to see this sport grow for it to gain the attraction and attention it deserves. Labeling future potential fans and or race pilots is the wrong way to go about it.

Matt Jackson
02-22-2009, 07:54 PM
h34race makes good points,

Does anyone know anybody connected with Discovery Networks? Like the auto restoration projects that they've done, the same thing could be done for air racer. Pimp my P-51 may not really be that far off the mark. I can see the opportunity now a little better than a few days ago.

Time for some phone calls, and emails, and letters...do people even send paper letters anymore?

LP He is no longer part of Discovery network. This is for his new show on Spike TV.

Hans Oberev
02-22-2009, 11:43 PM
Yes, thanks Wayne for providing a "grass roots" forum for us fans (pilots and non pilots) to voice our opinions!! Thanks for not pulling the plug on this thread! One of its purposes is to provide a stomping ground to cus and discuss as stated in an earlier post. I am not a pilot but find this forum as a great medium to get closer to the "insiders." I do not need the John Travolta's, Tom Cruise's or Jesses James of the world to get me jacked up. To me it's all about the planes, mechanics and pilots. FYI, the crash and fight at Daytona between Allison and Yarlborough during the first live telecast on ABC jump started NASCAR into mainstream. I enjoyed Days of Thunder but I don't think as Wayne suggest, that Tom Cruise and Robert Duvall are responsible for it's current success... no more than Ricky Bobby is!! Spike TV will create awareness to a whole new demographic which is a good thing. Will they come to the races? Will they become involved as a race team?? Jack Roush probably has more influence in spreading the word to real fans and potential owners than these tv celebrities in my opinion!!

Hans Oberev
02-22-2009, 11:45 PM
and sponsors too!!

Propellerhead
02-23-2009, 08:36 AM
He is no longer part of Discovery network. This is for his new show on Spike TV.

I guess that means no cross-marketing opportunities with that hot wimmens at "L.A. Ink" then. :sad:

TOR_DP
02-23-2009, 02:34 PM
I was going to avoid this thread alot...

However I feel have to say a few things:

I am probably going to offend many with this thread. Frankly if you hate me for telling the truth, I've got enough friends without you. Wayner if you want to edit or delete the post that's fine too.


1. Wayner is right. I've been in Film and TV production for over 30 years and the facts are that people (i.e. stars) are what leads to connections in sports. Example: Baseball cards, Dale E. dying (although I have a rant about that too), American chopper guys arguing all the time to get RUBs to want to buy Harley-a-likes, and on and on. Look, if the American chopper guys didn't argue and fight nobody would watch. At least not enough to pay for the production/distribution/merchandising.

2. Why don't the people on this forum who don't want tatoo-ed people, and beer drinkers, and "siliconed" women at the races also not want blacks, homosexuals, orientals, hillbillys, indians, atheists or anybody else there except for their sorry racist, bigoted, idiot-selves. Have not any of these haters ever seen their "hero" pilots drink a beer after the races? Or seen the Voodoo team in their "biker" leather jackets? Frankly you people are the reason the moniker "Ugly American" is applied just as freely worldwide about us as "Nigger" was to blacks in our most embarassing past. I hate that you cause me to be stereotyped because you are a loser who has to tear others down to stand up. I don't care if you hate me. All men are created equal, even you.

3. I have a true story to tell, its about an air-race fan, the exact facts of which have been changed for the obvious reasons:

The people had been standing at the packed fence for a while watching the planes taxi out. The person in question was approaching from the pits to the fence. Upon the fan's arrival, he moved and swayed with his Digi-whanger 9000 with 120000mm lens pointed toward the taxiing airplanes. Suddenly the fan decided he wanted to be closer, without all those pesky people in his shot. So instead of asking somebody, he established that the (about 10-12 years old) kid would be easiest to muscle out of the way. and that's what he did. "Hey kid move outta the way, you're ruining my shot". While moving quickly toward the kid. The kid, who was also taking pictures on an old 35mm SLR, turned and saw this person coming at them shouting and got out of the way. The fan assumed his rightful spot at the front. Realizing his pictures were now not possible, the kid turned and walked away from the flight line, head-down and into the crowd. Fan-man shot happy and oblivious that he'd ruined a precious moment.

I hope I'm never confused for a race-fan.


PS You might be inclined to ask why I didn't do something about this. Well, you can be assured that the kid got his shots from a fine elevated vantage point. Why I didn't confront the fan is another story: Have you ever tried to convince somebody to change religions? Talking to somebody so selfish and greedy would be just as futile.

I hope you don't hate me, but perhaps start thinking about what it means to be a race-fan.




More:

IMHO ANY exposure is good. My professional peers and air-show going friends have/had NO IDEA that air racing currently occurs.

The haters sound like they are afraid of the sell-out to commercialism and the ensuing increase in prices and drop in access. I can appreciate that. I cost me and my dad $28 to go to Daytona for the NASCAR/ARCA races in 1972. Now it costs more than that to park.

But, so what, If they get 500,000 folks a day to go and have to put a grandstand out in the valley of speed and every body has sponsors and there is a junior league, so what.

So then the races are truly popular?

BUD_XXX
02-23-2009, 02:47 PM
After reading all the previous posts on this subject...here is my 2 cents worth....

This thing we have, we love, Air Racing..It isn't NASCAR, Formula 1, CART, NHRA, professional Baseball or Football. It never was, and it will never be, it can't. While those events have Network TV contracts, TV personalities, with round the clock coverage, they also have sponsors that have supported them for decades, with machines backed by the largest corporations in the world, that can mass produce machines that people like us can go out and purchase without reservation. They have weekly, if not daily news updates, detailing every detail of life of every Driver... they have a weekly story that they continuously update every detail, every spec of information, about every car that has a number.

But that popularity did not come overnight, it's taken over 100 hundred years to grow to the state it's in today... Ricky Bobby, Tom Cruise, and others, I don't think help the popularity of NASCAR at all, but they did tap into that popularity.... to make money, via a motion picture venture...
In deed NASCAR and the other are popular today, because people like you and me have followed that story, the Team's story, the Driver's story, every weekend for years. Who here hasn't been to a Sunday NASCAR party, or BBQ, where friendship mixes with racing cars...or whatever. Who here doesn't have a favorite NASCAR or Formula One Driver or team, (go "Junior"). We are product or years of TV and Marketing.

AIR Racing doesn't have that. Except for this very small, part time website, and barely a handful of others like it. We get almost nothing, from the press or TV. We soak up everything we can about air racing, about the pilots, about the gossip, from the Internet or hearsay from other sources, and word of mouth, and it's not enough. It's certainly not enough to attract the attention of the TV networks... It seems like a few years ago, there were a couple of TV shows that would put on a one hour show, and even a half hour show, trying to cover the Reno Air Races... and while there may have been one or two decent shows that were produced, It was not nearly enough to attract many new fans. I remember those shows being very hard to find, and while I was so thrilled that they even spoke the words (Reno Air Races), looking back those shows kinda sucked.... maybe with an exception or two.... And then it seems like there was a glimmer of hope for TV...until RARA and or SKYFIRE...I recall, "locking up" those chances for sports broadcasts, so they could sell more videos.....( I never did buy one, out of resentment I suppose) for a few years....

The sad reality is that we in the AIR Racing community (including us "plain old fans") are hear because we flew planes, or our Dad's flew planes, or worked on them, or were brought here early in life.... I don't know anybody I ever met at the Reno Races, that wasn't introduced to this sport from their friends or families, or had ties to the aviation industry in some way.... This thing we love, didn't come from TV...

Having said all that crap, publicity, has never been the key to the popularity of the Reno AIR Races. Tom Cruise, Tom Selleck, not even John Travolta has not increased our popularity by any measurable amount. Not even the NASCAR mega mogul Jack Rousch's recent involvment (although it seems to be behind the scenes involvement) seams to have had any significant impact, that I can tell…

And there can be no hope of attracting that kind of fan attention, or Network TV coverage, we can’t even get one of the most famous aviator of all time, Gen Chuck Yeager, to comment favorably, about our sport….We certainly are not going to see Cessna, nor anybody else pony up the kind of money it would take to grow our sport…the way some would like it..

So all we have, is a movie here or there, that kinda talks around the races, maybe a game you can’t even buy to play on your computer with, and so when a guy like Jesse James comes to talk about our sport, we better relish it, a lot, cause that’s all we are going to get… And let’s not forget that Jesse James came along at a time when TV shows grew hugely with all the Chopper and Biker shows that have boomed, and flourished with the help of guys like Jesse….perhaps because of Jesse James.

So, I welcome him, and anybody like him, and I welcome your comments about anything I may have mis-stated…

And until then, I await the sound of round, or the wonderful purring of the V-12, on an early September morning. See ya there!

TOR_DP
02-23-2009, 03:03 PM
YES!

(snip)
Yeager anger deleted.
(snip)

Leo
02-23-2009, 03:19 PM
Offend? Naaaaw!
Your example of American Chopper, I had a chance to meet Paul Sr. at an event as just a guy (no pretense, no fan chasing, etc.) and in that setting he is, just a guy. The rest is TV persona. I don't judge anyone on that basis, I'll wait till I meet them. Too many see the persona and think it's the person. Maybe that's why campaign ads work...
I would take you to task on the "fan" tho. I like to consider myself a AIR RACE FAN and would consider someone like that just a self important clod, not a fan. They are in all sports and most walks of life. I'v had to say "here, kid, stand in front of me" too many times over the year with a decidedly nasty look in said clods direction. They don't get it, never will.

BUD_XXX
02-23-2009, 03:41 PM
To continue.... Too bad (maybe) it wasn't the Discovery Channel, If a race team just had one tenth the funds the Discovery Channel has put into Bicycle racing, That would be a well funded team...

But what the hey...Perhaps the Spike TV folks will be bombarded with positive responses, to the Reno AIR Race thing....and.....and ...Let's just hope and pray.....so lets ALL be positive and think good thoughts....
Whata ya think of a SPIKE TV sponsored Dago Red, oh yeah, now were talking,..... right?

It could happen, .....and my 401K plan will recover tooooo!

TOR_DP
02-23-2009, 04:51 PM
Yeah, Leo I was just angry that anyone could possibly complain about coverage.


The idea that I'm not a race fan is plain silly, I am.

I was trying at sarcasm, and was angry instead... sorry.

After re-reading the rant i went a little overboard.

My Irish side must be showing.


(long deep breath)

:thumbsup:

thunderstangfan
02-23-2009, 06:39 PM
lol i delete 9 out of 10 posts just for that reason:thumbsup:

Hans Oberev
02-23-2009, 08:58 PM
4881 views!! Who says controversial subjects /rivalries aren't healthy? If Jesse James interest morphs into an ownership position then good! Come on over the water is fine! Another well funded team means better racing and more excitement for the fans. I don't think we have to worry about Jesse walking away because his feathers may have gotten ruffled if in fact he has been reading this thread. I would guess that his skin is thicker than that and if anything, it should harden his resolve to bring his A game to Reno. "Haters"?? That seems a bit extreme! Relax!!