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C/Lflier
04-10-2007, 08:35 PM
I am painting a model P-51 in the Miss Bardahl paint scheme and was hoping to get a few more pictures. I have searched this site along with many others and only came up with a handful ok pictures. I was hoping for more, but I realize it may be a long shot. I appreciate your help. :)

(I hope this is the right forum for picture requests).

Mike

number17fan
04-11-2007, 08:08 PM
C/L flier
what angles/views do you need?
Is it a stunter or scale?
Andrew

C/Lflier
04-11-2007, 09:09 PM
number17fan,
It's a stunter and I am looking for any views available. I would like a shot of the checkerboard on top of the fuselage (to see how the checkers meet) or a shot of the Miss Bardahl logo. I guess any detailed pictures will do. I have several overall shots good for paint scheme layout, but not detail work.

Thanks for your reply, Mike

speeddemon
04-12-2007, 07:06 AM
C/Lflier....

:-) Actually....it's "Bardahl Miss". "Miss Bardahl" was a hydroplane.

I believe that there is a three view drawing of the #14 "Bardahl II" (which had an identical paint scheme layout) in the 1969 annual of Reed Kinnert's "Racing Planes & Air Races". It details the logos and placement.

I think the biggest mistake I see whenever someone does a model of this plane is that while the plane is yellow with black checkerboards, the race number is dark green--not black.

Check for it on eBay...they seem to be up for auction all the time.

stuntflyr
04-12-2007, 12:25 PM
Amazing there are C/L Stunt guys on this forum, or maybe not.
I am building an old TF 1"to1' FormFlite scale model of EDWeiner's zebra striped ship. using a JRoberts three line bellcrank.
Is your Mustang a Rabe design?
I see one of you guys is in TX, where are you, Mike?

Chris...

This is my first Old Time entry at VSC...

Reno64
04-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Try Googling (or your favorite search engine) for N335J --#49's registration, there are several good sites in the results. If you can find a copy of Mustang-The Racing Thoroughbred by Dustin Carter and Birch Matthews published in 1992, has some good pix of the Yellow & Black scheme.

RandyGoss75
04-12-2007, 03:13 PM
N335 and N335J are my all time favorite racing Mustang schemes.


http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74506.shtml

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-72902.shtml

number17fan
04-12-2007, 03:23 PM
Here is my favorite pic of Bardahl Miss.
C/lflier, send me an e-mail.
Andrew

C/Lflier
04-12-2007, 08:55 PM
Speeddemon,
I pronounced it as Miss Bardahl because Bardahl Miss always sounded weird to me even though it was written differently on the plane. Go figure....

I was going to ask about the green numbers. Some of the pics I have show a tint of green while others look black. It must be a very dark green which shows up black unless the sun is directly on it. Is the race number on the wing dark green also? How about the N335J on the vertical?

Chris,
It is a Bob Hunt design. I started building it years ago and I am finally getting around to finishing it. The paint scheme is a stretch because it is semi-scale.

number17fan,
I sent you an e-mail. Thanks for taking the time to help.

Thank you to everyone who has helped!!!

Mike

stuntflyr
04-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Sounds cool,
funny Bobby cut the cores for the Tigercat.
Chris...

C/Lflier
04-13-2007, 08:07 AM
I saw the pictures on stunthanger of your F7F. It looks very pretty, how does/did it fly for a 57 year old design?

Mike

stuntflyr
04-13-2007, 12:41 PM
Hi Mike,
It flies like any scale model, and the Plecan design is very accurate. It's not a stunter, but it is a light scale model. It weighs 44 oz and I wanted 36. It still would be a very critical stunter at 36, because the wing is so thin and area so small it uses every inch of the hemisphere to do the maneuvers and would never be competitive. But it was fun. I think I'll do a scale biplane for next year.
Chris...

speeddemon
04-13-2007, 05:04 PM
Speeddemon,
I pronounced it as Miss Bardahl because Bardahl Miss always sounded weird to me even though it was written differently on the plane. Go figure....

I was going to ask about the green numbers. Some of the pics I have show a tint of green while others look black. It must be a very dark green which shows up black unless the sun is directly on it. Is the race number on the wing dark green also? How about the N335J on the vertical?

Mike


Number on both the wing and fuselage are green outlined in black. The registration number on the tail is all black. The lettering on the nose is black outlined in white.

Ole Bardahl himself was the one who insisted that the plane NOT be called Miss Bardahl, because he didn't want anyone confusing it with his hydroplanes. Hence, Bardahl Special, Bardahl Miss, Bardahl II for the Mustangs.

C/Lflier
04-14-2007, 02:01 PM
Number on both the wing and fuselage are green outlined in black. The registration number on the tail is all black. The lettering on the nose is black outlined in white.

Ole Bardahl himself was the one who insisted that the plane NOT be called Miss Bardahl, because he didn't want anyone confusing it with his hydroplanes. Hence, Bardahl Special, Bardahl Miss, Bardahl II for the Mustangs.

Thank you for the information. It will make my paint scheme that much better. I am still looking for a picture detailing the "49" on the wing and fuse. None of my pictures show a close up of the green outlined in black. I don't know, but it might not show up in any pictures??? I have good shots of the checkerboard top and bottom, registration # and Bardahl Miss.

number17fan sent me some good shots.

I see his point about confusion.

Mike

uhhuh35
04-15-2007, 07:43 AM
Miss Barhdal is one of my favs too. Here's a GWS Mustang I did up in an amalgamation of various ED Weiner paint schemes:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q27/uhhuh35/boomermodel.jpg
It was a bit heavy and didn't fly very well but it got a lot of attention! I also built a Stiletto from a GWS kit but alas, I never got a picture of it.

speeddemon
04-15-2007, 02:56 PM
Wow. That looks great!

The Boomer II paint scheme, with the red numerals was from 1979 when Bill Harrison raced it. Valerie Weiner asked Max Hoffman to run it for the 10th anniversary of E.D's final race and death in 1969. But since Max was racing his own "Boomer" #66, he had Bill race it for him. As I recall, he was running pretty good in the Gold Final, but had to pull out with engine problems.

mark m
04-15-2007, 11:36 PM
Hi Guys
I know this link is for a scale plastic kit, but it is very accurate
www.aircraftresourcecenter.com
go to galleries, click on propeller, scroll down to P51,click page 1, scroll down youll see hi time 11 part 3 has some good colour phots of the model.
Hope this helps
Regards
Mark M

mayday51
04-16-2007, 01:42 AM
http://www.lesliefield.com/boats_teams/1958_u40.htm


.....or is it Bardal Miss ?

C/Lflier
04-16-2007, 08:52 PM
mark m,
I didn't see any pics of Bardahl Miss in the link you posted.

mayday51,
It is Bardahl Miss. It was mentioned earlier in this thread that Miss Bardahl was the racing boat.

To me it looks like the black border around the green "49" is very thin. I have searched to the end of the internet and back. I now have about 30-35 pictures, but none are close ups.

Mike

RandyGoss75
04-16-2007, 09:01 PM
http://ronsarchive.com/Reno68s/pages/6809Ebe13%20238.htm

I think the number 49 was green in 1968, and red in 1969.
Victor Archer has a shot of N335J with a red number sitting next to
N335 in the STP scheme, I think that would be 1969ish?