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laminar
02-19-2007, 12:48 PM
In light of the old photos everyone is digging out of the glory days. I have heard that at some point Levitz raced a black 38. Does anyone have pictures?

kensantafe
02-19-2007, 03:25 PM
It was at War Eagles Air Museum in Santa Theresa NM
Last time I saw it

Leo
02-19-2007, 04:34 PM
I have pics of Double Trouble after it's accident. They are slides and be darned if I know which of about 50 slide boxes they are in!
If I remember right she only showed up black in 83. with a red 38 on the tail. She was promptly damaged in a gear retract accident and Levitz said "enough".

Warren_C
02-19-2007, 05:52 PM
Dug this out of the old photos box, War Eagles Museum 1998

A planned fuel stop for us and quick tour before climbing back in the Golden Gate Wing's SNJ and heading on to Midland for the CAF Airsho.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v718/Warren_C/P38WE.jpg

bergschrund
02-19-2007, 07:38 PM
The black P38 was at War Eagles museum in Santa Teresa when I was last there in 2004. Garner in Albuquerque

speeddemon
02-20-2007, 07:07 AM
She was promptly damaged in a gear retract accident and Levitz said "enough".

Actually, I believe he said "If I had a gun right now I'd shoot that son of a *****" (referring to 'Rotten Richard', who was in the cockpit), and then turned around and walked away.

A sad, sad moment.

Shawn Aro
02-20-2007, 08:48 AM
Reno 1977 photo by mt Dad shawn

John Kerr
02-21-2007, 05:17 AM
Here are a couple of photos scanned from slides in my collection of P-38L
N345, 44-27087 at Reno. Photos by Bob Kennedy and show it in better time before gear retract incidient and one after gear retract.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/JohnMadDogKerr/P-38LN34544-27087Reno1-2.jpg

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/JohnMadDogKerr/P-38LN34544-27087Reno-1.jpg

SpinB
02-21-2007, 04:09 PM
OK, seeing Shawn's B/W P-38 photo reminded me of one my Grampa had.
Actually 2 of the same ship. I dug them out and scanned them. It the first or second......XP-38......(late '30s!)! It's remarkable how clean that ship was at the start......I think these photos are declassified..... :eek:

440_Magnum
02-21-2007, 05:27 PM
OK, seeing Shawn's B/W P-38 photo reminded me of one my Grampa had.
Actually 2 of the same ship. I dug them out and scanned them. It the first or second......XP-38......(late '30s!)! It's remarkable how clean that ship was at the start......I think these photos are declassified..... :eek:


I always did like the cowls on the XP-38 the best. The final versions (starting with the J? or was it the H?) that had the intercooler between the oil coolers in the "beard" below the spinner were not nearly as attractive, but more functional. The two-hole production cowls (oil coolers only, intercooler was in the wing leading edge on those versions) that were retrofitted on Lefty's 'White Lightnin'" when it was de-turboed are almost as sleek as the X plane's cowls.

Pylon1_Mark
02-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Reno 1977 photo by mt Dad shawn
Also courtesy of Shawn's dad, Chuck

http://www.sn8k.com/aafo/double_trouble_83R_ca04.jpg


They are slides and be darned if I know which of about 50 slide boxes they are in! I feel that... spent the last 3 days reorganizing my slides/prints in preparation for the big move to OKC - and I still need a few more days of work left. Luckily I had this one on one of my archive disks on the computer.

Shawn Aro
02-22-2007, 08:26 AM
hi Mark hope you doing well Shawn :cool:

T J Johansen
02-22-2007, 12:14 PM
That 38 is really looking good in the black paint job!

T J

Pylon1_Mark
02-22-2007, 12:45 PM
hi Mark hope you doing well Shawn :cool:
Hi Shawn - I'm doing quite well sir, thanks for asking :thumbsup:

speeddemon
02-22-2007, 12:53 PM
That 38 is really looking good in the black paint job!

T J

The black paint made the airplane look small.

Peashooter
02-22-2007, 04:19 PM
Speed, Which came first, the black paint on the P-38, or on Foxy Lady? This is not a quizz, I don't know. Who inspired whom? :cool: :dunno: Peas

Leo
02-22-2007, 04:29 PM
Foxy Lady was years before Levitz' P-38. I think the only year Double Trouble showed up black was in 83. Before that it was either grey or bare metal.
Foxy Lady was black in 74 or 75 I think.

gp70442
02-22-2007, 04:38 PM
What TJ said. Beautiful shot.

GP

Shawn Aro
02-22-2007, 11:09 PM
Miss Foxey Lady 1974 it made its first apperance but blew its engine during quliflying all the best Shawn :cool:

SCEPTER
02-23-2007, 07:39 AM
Miss Foxey Lady 1974 it made its first apperance but blew its engine during quliflying all the best Shawn :cool:

does anyone have a color pic of Miss Foxey Lady? That thing looks bad @ss. :D

John Kerr
02-23-2007, 08:30 AM
As requested, photo of Miss Foxy Lady, not the best quality as it was scanned from a Agfachrome slide. ID is N70QF, 44-74502, taken at
Reno on 12 Sep 1974 by Richard W. Ditty. I also have a couple of slide of it in white markings if interested. John Kerr

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/JohnMadDogKerr/P-51DN70QF44-74502RENOSep121974Rich.jpg

SCEPTER
02-23-2007, 09:52 AM
As requested, photo of Miss Foxy Lady, not the best quality as it was scanned from a Agfachrome slide. ID is N70QF, 44-74502, taken at
Reno on 12 Sep 1974 by Richard W. Ditty. I also have a couple of slide of it in white markings if interested. John Kerr

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/JohnMadDogKerr/P-51DN70QF44-74502RENOSep121974Rich.jpg

Very Cool...........Thanks. :thumbsup: :D :cool:

One of the best looking racers IMHO.

Steve H
02-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Very Cool...........Thanks. :thumbsup: :D :cool:

One of the best looking racers IMHO.

gorgeous plane, where is it now?

Steve

Leo
02-23-2007, 03:27 PM
Became John Crocker's "Sumthin Else" after Burnsteins death. Sold after Crocker's death, I know it's been restored stock now but can't remember the new name! Old age.
There is a photo of it in the 1973 Air Classics coverage of Reno (the year Burnstein won in Miss Suzy Q) showing it stock claiming Ken had bought it with the intention of going racing seriously.

Steve H
02-23-2007, 03:29 PM
Became John Crocker's "Sumthin Else" after Burnsteins death. Sold after Crocker's death, I know it's been restored stock now but can't remember the new name! Old age.

Thanks,

that reply was lightning fast!!

Steve

RandyGoss75
02-23-2007, 03:52 PM
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51registry/p51-4474502.html

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/pages/44-74502.shtml

ShermB
02-23-2007, 04:59 PM
Li'l Randy,
What are the particulars on the Seattle crash landing in July of 1990?
Darlin' Betty

Skyracer
02-23-2007, 05:08 PM
Here you go, :) Betty.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=SEA90LA136&rpt=fi

ShermB
02-23-2007, 05:22 PM
Thanks, Jim.
It said they had been flying formation? What was the occasion?
I was living in Seattle at thetime, but don't remember it.
Betty

Skyracer
02-23-2007, 06:25 PM
What, you can't remember what was going on in Seattle on 7/14/90? Heh, heh, heh...Maybe it was just two warbirds in the air at the same time. :dunno:

ShermB
02-23-2007, 07:57 PM
Are you making fun of me and my memory?
I would have remembered hearing about a plane crash or crunch. That was after Arlington and before Seafair, unless the MOF had something going on. :dunno:
Betty

Bill Marsh
02-24-2007, 10:19 AM
Once again......


The FOD ( fence post or cactus ) photo sticking out of Gardners P38 wing tip.


THAT is buy far THE photo of the millenium for RACE planes, IMHO.

Lost the pix files from Pylon 1 or earlier AAFO files.....S**T.


Anybody have a pix of this?

BMarsh

speeddemon
02-24-2007, 12:31 PM
Thanks, Jim.
It said they had been flying formation? What was the occasion?
I was living in Seattle at thetime, but don't remember it.
Betty

It was the Boeing Field "Flight Fest". They had it for several years in the 80's. That year, Crocker had Sumthin' Else there, Jerry had Cottonmouth (Sea Fury), the Sanders had 924, and Evergreen had their P-40K and FG-1D. They were doing the warbird flyby portion. Crocker had done some pretty good high-speed runs down the runway, and a few with Jerry. Then he got caught in Jerry's turbulance on short final. I have all of it on videotape. :-(

That show always had pretty good warbird attendance. I remember Jim Landry would have 'Big Hog' on display, and the CAF had the Yellow Rose B-25 one year. Hugh Bickle had Iron Ass (the former Mangia Pane) up at least once. I also remember the RAF bringing in a Shackelton...what a sound, four Griffons making a pass down the runway!

Skyracer
02-25-2007, 08:38 AM
Are you making fun of me and my memory?You know I wouldn't do that, Betty.:rolleyes: Besides, who am I to make fun of somone else's memory?:confused: I can't even remember what I had for breakfast yesterday!:dunno: But I do remember some "great" times with a certain really fun lady (but we won't talk about that in here, will we).:hug: