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Bill Marsh
12-07-2006, 10:13 PM
Things are getting bearly boring around here...... sooooo

The following is a quick surf from sites like "global aircraft... et. al." ...
not trying to split any hairs here, just have some fun ....

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How does our favorite prop recips a/c stack up to the what is out there today, after 1945 / 55 ish times.

MPH
<> Race 77 = 428 (record) .... est. 444 ? swag visuals
<> TU-95 = 575
<> B36 6x4360 + 4x j79 = 435
<> B50 = 395
<> KB50J 4x4360 + 2x j79 = 444
<> Stratofortress airliner = 375
<> B36 (all jet) 4 or 6x j79 = "100 mph less than B52"

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Same same with bomb loads.

BOMB LOAD
<> B36 = 86,000 non specific load
<> B29 = 20,000 ''
<> B50 = 20,000 ''
<> B70 = no data
<> B52 = 70,000 "
<> B1b = 41,000 ''
<> B2 = 41,000 ''
<> Ruskies et. al. = bfd





BM

Propellerhead
12-08-2006, 09:16 AM
Things are getting bearly boring around here...... sooooo

The following is a quick surf from sites like "global aircraft... et. al." ...
not trying to split any hairs here, just have some fun ....

__________________________________________________ _________


How does our favorite prop recips a/c stack up to the what is out there today, after 1945 / 55 ish times.

MPH
<> Race 77 = 428 (record) .... est. 444 ? swag visuals
<> TU-95 = 575
<> B36 6x4360 + 4x j79 = 435
<> B50 = 395
<> KB50J 4x4360 + 2x j79 = 444
<> Stratofortress airliner = 375
<> B36 (all jet) 4 or 6x j79 = "100 mph less than B52"

==================

Same same with bomb loads.

BOMB LOAD
<> B36 = 86,000 non specific load
<> B29 = 20,000 ''
<> B50 = 20,000 ''
<> B70 = no data
<> B52 = 70,000 "
<> B1b = 41,000 ''
<> B2 = 41,000 ''
<> Ruskies et. al. = bfd





BM
Not to be pedantic (there's that word again!) but, a couple of corrections:

- You shorted the Bear by 100mph. The Bear's record is 528.3mph.
- The B-36 had GE J-47s not J-79s. J-79s powered such things as the F-4, B-58, F-104, etc. 4 J-79s would have pulled the wings off the Peacemaker.
- The YB-60 (jet engined B-36) was powered by J-57s. Talk about lipstick on a bulldog!
Link: http://www.air-and-space.com/YB-60.htm

Bill Marsh
12-08-2006, 09:48 AM
.s noted, thanks....

Jeez, ran short of the egg nog mix last night... but the brandy did the number on me.


BM

First time Juke
12-08-2006, 09:51 AM
You forgot that american turbo contraprop Thundersreech ( or suntin like it ) went 670 mph...plane was not ordered by the USAF becuse if failed to reach mach 1.0. :D

Also last Italian single engine fighter SAI 403 reached 675 mph in a dive though.

Uh-sure
12-08-2006, 10:11 AM
Uh, I don't think that would be possible Juka.....

MAYBE 675kph (@420mph) but I would doubt that too.

Where is that info published Juke? :deal:

Even the much cleaner fighters of that era would have not been able to obtain that speed in a vertical dive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:XF-84H.jpg

Ron101502
12-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Does anybody know if the jets on the B-36 burnded avgas or did they have their own JP-4 tanks? And were they J-47s (F-86) or J-57s (F-100, F-101, F-102)?

Ron Henning

SpinB
12-08-2006, 05:37 PM
Yeah, they burned off the same bags as the 4360s. They had been modified to burn avgas.

AirDOGGe
12-08-2006, 07:40 PM
You forgot that american turbo contraprop Thundersreech ( or suntin like it ) went 670 mph...plane was not ordered by the USAF becuse if failed to reach mach 1.0. :D



The XF-84H Thunderjet (Thunderscreech) was a single prop, only managed 447mph (720 kph), and there were many reasons it failed to draw orders.

PHOTOS LINK:
http://svsm.org/gallery/xf84h

AIRCRAFT DETAILS
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s934718.htm

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Bill Marsh
12-08-2006, 09:50 PM
Now THAT would be a prop for the Bear 77... :lol3:



BM

team zipper
12-10-2006, 05:15 PM
My formula one racer, ZIPPER, race 1, goes half as fast as Rare Bear, 77, on one sixteenth (1/16) the engine displacement and about one twentieth the horsepower. The bomb load is kinda short, tho... :cool:

Apteryx
12-10-2006, 05:53 PM
My formula one racer, ZIPPER, race 1, goes half as fast as Rare Bear...
Without ADI, hot fuels, or nitrous, (at least, as far as we know...) :D

BTW, great picture of you on Jan Peters site, if you haven't seen it yet.

Paul

First time Juke
12-11-2006, 02:36 AM
The XF-84H Thunderjet (Thunderscreech) was a single prop, only managed 447mph (720 kph), and there were many reasons it failed to draw orders.


There are different opinions or data too !

http://www.supercoolprops.com/

http://www.anigrand.com/AA2059_XF-84H.htm

First time Juke
12-11-2006, 03:56 AM
Uh, I don't think that would be possible Juka.....

MAYBE 675kph (@420mph) but I would doubt that too.

Where is that info published Juke? :deal:

Even the much cleaner fighters of that era would have not been able to obtain that speed in a vertical dive.

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Uh-Sure !

You are kidding me aren't ya ? Even finns flew in 1939 a Fiat G-50 at speeds beyond 800 kph in a dive ( Ltn. Harmaja test flight of Fiat in Italy ).

Here is the light weight fighter data to SAI 403 Dardo;

http://www.tgplanes.com/planfile.asp?idplane=214 ( see also the link within the link ).


rgds,

Juke

First time Juke
12-11-2006, 04:52 AM
Half way of this Hungarian story is the Liutenant Harmaja recorded speed 830 kmh ( 516 mph ) with a Fiat G-50. Only one in the web. ;)

http://www.topsid.com/index.php?war=italie&unit=fiatg50

Aeroelastic vibrations almost demolished the plane, but he flew the plane back to the field. He was shot down ( dead ) in Winter War flying a Fokker D XXI.

Insert from the story:

Harmaja dosáhl ve střemhlavém letu rychlosti 830 km/h, i když konstrukční maximální rychlost byla pouze 730 km/h.

Somehow I feel that is the most ever recorded for a open cockpit plane. Fiat G-50 was well known for its rugged construction

First time Juke
12-11-2006, 05:49 AM
Uh-Sure...

I could no longer find the 670 mph claim--gotta be this other SAI 207 with 960 kmh speed MACH .86 ( my mistake sorry );

http://www.comandosupremo.com/Sai207.html

INSERT:

Stefanutti then proceeded to the design of a fighter with full operational equipment including armament. This was the SAI.207 that otherwise differed from the SAI.107 only in its more powerful engine driving a three-bladed propeller. Flight trials began in 1942, and in the course of these, the first SAI.207 recorded a dive speed of 596 mph at 9,845 ft, corresponding to Mach .86.

Production of the SAI.207 had meanwhile been cancelled in favor of its SAI.403 Dardo (dart) derivative. This essentially was a more sophisticated version of the SAI.207 with the same type of stressed-skin wooden construction, but which had fully retractable landing gear rather than the 207's combination of retractable main gear and fixed tailwheel.

The first SAI.403 flew late in 1942 and revealed exceptional performance, including a maximum speed of 404 mph at 23,620 ft.

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BTW: Did you know that SR-71 two seater hardly reached mach 2...because of the unclean shape ?

BellCobraIV
12-11-2006, 09:26 AM
The XF-84H Thunderjet (Thunderscreech) was a single prop, only managed 447mph (720 kph), and there were many reasons it failed to draw orders.

PHOTOS LINK:
http://svsm.org/gallery/xf84h


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Air Dogge,

Really cool photo link, of course we here in Bakersfield miss the fact that Santa Claus is now relegated to arriving in town in a T-38 in front of what is now the old terminal. For many years the XF-84H sat on a pole in front of the terminal and every year got the canopy opened and a large Santa installed in the cockpit, so that everyone knew Santa was on the way. It is so much better to her sitting on her own gear in Dayton INSIDE! Thanks for the link.
John Slack

SpinB
12-11-2006, 10:05 AM
Air Dogge,

Really cool photo link, of course we here in Bakersfield miss the fact that Santa Claus is now relegated to arriving in town in a T-38 in front of what is now the old terminal. For many years the XF-84H sat on a pole in front of the terminal and every year got the canopy opened and a large Santa installed in the cockpit, so that everyone knew Santa was on the way. It is so much better to her sitting on her own gear in Dayton INSIDE! Thanks for the link.
John Slack

So THAT's where that thing went. I used to enjoy seeing the prop turning
in the wind! Well, as one of two, she does belong indoors.....

Jay
12-11-2006, 11:39 AM
Interesting the way they plugged the gap around the blades so in high pitch it was streamlined.
Rare Bear's 3 blade also did not have the big gaps for the blades to rotate in. Good low drag design.

Bill Marsh
12-11-2006, 12:42 PM
Lets see....

Wait till all the people are snug in their beds... dreamin of santa on his way.... snatch that big ass 3 blader of off the F 84 screecher or whatever turbo prop it is...

Have santa deliver it to the bear cave


Show up @ reno 07 and have the entire 80,000 fans in the pits 4 a look-e-loo event that will last 4 ever




hey its christmas
BM

BellCobraIV
12-12-2006, 12:38 PM
Lets see....

Have santa deliver it to the bear cave

hey its christmas
BM

Santa has a sleigh full of toys for the elves in Bearcatland already this Christmas! Along with some special packages to be seen by all, some packages to be seen by some, and some packages to be rumoured about and seen by none. I see Christmas as good in Rare Bear land

SpinB
12-12-2006, 01:12 PM
Santa has a sleigh full of toys for the elves in Bearcatland already this Christmas! Along with some special packages to be seen by all, some packages to be seen by some, and some packages to be rumoured about and seen by none. I see Christmas as good in Rare Bear land

I hate when you do that!!! :D Next time, just smack me over the head with a brick bat! The suspense WILL kill me!!! I CAN'T WAIT....AGHHH!!

...is it September yet??...

BellCobraIV
12-12-2006, 02:21 PM
...is it September yet??...

Special instrumentation at Edwards,.....Telemetry?

SpinB
12-12-2006, 03:37 PM
Special instrumentation at Edwards,.....Telemetry?
Yessir, actually, everything from transducer to handing a sheet of paper
to program people tellin' 'em.......whahapun....

Peashooter
12-12-2006, 04:13 PM
Special instrumentation at Edwards,.....Telemetry?

$5.28 ain't enough? :cool:

BellCobraIV
12-12-2006, 04:37 PM
Do you get the DVD player option with 5.28 Unit?

SpinB
12-12-2006, 04:42 PM
$5.28 ain't enough? :cool:

Nah....it's 'short bus' special.....at least it feels like it sometimes.....

RarebearFan77
12-20-2006, 07:27 AM
How does our favorite prop recips a/c stack up to the what is out there today, after 1945 / 55 ish times.

MPH
<> Race 77 = 428 (record) .... est. 444 ? swag visuals
<> TU-95 = 575
<> B36 6x4360 + 4x j79 = 435
<> B50 = 395
<> KB50J 4x4360 + 2x j79 = 444
<> Stratofortress airliner = 375
<> B36 (all jet) 4 or 6x j79 = "100 mph less than B52"

==================

Same same with loads.

BOMB LOAD
<> B36 = 86,000 non specific load
<> B29 = 20,000 ''
<> B50 = 20,000 ''
<> B70 = no data
<> B52 = 70,000 "
<> B1b = 41,000 ''
<> B2 = 41,000 ''
<> Ruskies et. al. = bfd
<> RareBear = 10,000 lbs of first place trophies!!

Bill Marsh
12-20-2006, 03:58 PM
JC

How much did that the fence material or cactus branch weigh with leftys lawn mowing deal? Needs to go on the list as 38's strafing fod tonnage.

I know i have seen pictures of the 38's wing tip some where.... pylon 1 maybe.

over,

BM