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    This comes from a co-worker of mine at Northwest Airlines, who was a former Eastern and US Navy pilot. It's the truth, and explains why you'll never see another airline pilot race his own airplane in unlimited at Reno.


    Well , The good news is, Today I officially Retire from Northwest Airlines
    and I was hired last week for a Service Advisor job in the automotive
    division of Sears (which is the first real job I had while going to college
    and loved it and it's what I want to do in my old age)--pay is good and it
    includes full medical,dental,401k & profit sharing---should be more than
    enough even without the retirement money---may still consider the same line
    of work at a regular dealership at some point, covering my six for now----
    I'll be home every night---no more check rides--no FEDS or commuters on my
    jump seat taking up my office space---no more 25% PENALTY for being
    legitimately sick---no more scum bag hotels---no more old bitchy flight
    attendants---no more 14 hour duty days with 10 hour layovers---no more
    drafting my butt downline to fly the remains of somebody else's trip because
    they can't staff the airline correctly---no more zero/zero approaches into
    blinding thunderstorms or blizzards--no more strip searches at the security
    checkpoints by high school drop-outs ( my I.D. means nothing )--no more
    subway sandwiches at the airport served by Somalis that can never get my
    order right. Can't sit down and have a hot meal between legs at a nice
    restaurant cause there's not enough time---no more missed recitals,
    birthdays or holidays---no more 3:30 am (body clock) wakeup calls on the
    east coast--no more number 20 for take off behind 18 little regional jets at
    LaGuardia---no more company bus rides from the employee lot in machines,
    where either the rear door doesn't work or the A.C. or heat is out of
    order---no more "fear and intimidation style management" to live under( the
    head honcho of the Sears store actually gave me the second and final
    interview ( not normal) " he actually wanted to meet me" and said I should
    consider a position in management with my credentials and philosophies about
    how I believe people should be treated and that he was really happy to see
    someone like me consider a position with his company ..he told me I would be
    an asset to any organization, unlike my current employer, that has always
    "behind the scenes" regarded me and my peers as liabilities and prima
    donnas..go figure ! I'm not unique. Most Pilots at this point still fit the
    same mold. Unfortunately that mold is slowly and methodically being reshaped
    by corporate robber barons into something they can shackle to a Yoke and,
    who they hope, will never question the methods to their madness.

    The more I re-read this e-mail, the more I wonder why it has taken me so
    long to come to this decision to hang up flying---oh yeh, it's cause I
    couldn't touch my retirement money till now, penalty free....I'm finally
    ready for the simpler life with considerably less stress. It use to be that
    the Airline rewarded us for all these little inconviences we take for
    granted and the time we spend away from home and family that was part of our
    daily lives in this profession. We made good money, had considerable time
    off and the benefits were to brag about.That is no longer the case. My
    Plumber makes more a year now than I do. His labor rate alone is $95.00/hr
    when he set my kitchen sink last May and he's a high school drop out. His
    yearly salary is based on a 160 hour work month (40 a week) --My $93.00/hr
    and annual salary is based on an 80 hour month (hard time in the air) with
    considerably more time on duty and away from home. I suspect the New Airline
    Pilot of the future will probably be one of those kids you remember in high
    school that got out of classes on a 2:30pm work permit to go learn a trade
    because they weren't particularly bright. Of course he'll have to be on some
    kind of Government program to pay for his training. There's no way he'll be
    able to come up with the $100,000.00 in flight training costs to get his
    licences, and you'll never see another Military Pilot leave the armed forces
    for an Air Carrier position where it will take almost his entire career to
    reach the salary he left behind at his Military job. I would not recommend
    this profession anymore to anyone I really cared about. My guess is the
    Airline industry will have to lower their Standards as well as their
    requirements as the airplanes get more automated (the FAA will agree) if
    they're gonna get any applicants. Let the buyer beware when he takes his
    next airplane ride in the future. I have absolutely no regrets about getting
    out while the getting is good. I use to love my job and the adventure that
    every trip brought. It's just no fun going to work anymore. It's all about
    quality of life ---unfortunately, you don't figure that out till you're on
    the back side of the clock in most careers and in the Big Scheme of things,
    approaching your own ultimate demise.

    Life is really to short to devote one extra minute of your time to a company
    as well as a profession that is not everything you had hoped for.. I'm
    baffled trying to think of another industry that has so brutally passed on
    the increased costs of doing business to their employees rather than their
    customers. Even my garbage man is charging a surcharge for fuel to me rather
    than rape his employees.

    I'm out - a - here.......
    Ron Henning

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    Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

    Well he certainly didn't like his job. Any chance those "old bitchy flight attendants" thought he was an old bitchy pilot?
    Tom

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    • #3
      Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

      I don't mean this an ANY kind of statement but, as with many other of us "ground bound" masses, we dream of the career in the air that we didn't go for when we were young and stupid enough to take other paths in our lives..

      I'm not trying to glamorize anything but I'm gonna hang onto my little piece of the dream and remember the good things some of my friends who have spent many hours at the pointy end have said to me...

      "I've seen things that I can not begin to describe to you"..

      "The view out the front"..

      Again, not trying to minimize any pay and issues that are the reality of the business of flying for a living but...

      Shouldn't you do, whatever you do, because you love to do it?

      If I could turn the clock back, even knowing what I know now, I'd turn right where I turned left so many years ago and make that decision.. I'd fly!

      Somewhere in my late 20's, I had the opportunity to go military and fly... nothing written in stone, mind you, just a recuriter who was a friend who said "the Army wants people like you"...

      I was making "good" money, had lots of debts, pretty stable lifestyle.. made the decision to not take the offer..

      What might have been???

      AGAIN and I CAN'T state this STRONGLY enough! I DO NOT want to "diss" anyone who is in the flying business today! I know, management SUCKS!

      Doesn't matter what you do... Management usually will go for the bottom line, they don't give a chit about anything other than what makes their career move ahead, screw anyone who thinks they have any "right" to do anything other than what the company wants them to do..

      Worked that way for me in my little end of the world..

      I'm "retired" early.. at 50 to be exact... not necessarily because I wanted to do it then.. but because management found a way to get round paying my "exhorbitant" salary and "downsize"...

      Anyway...

      Off my soapbox...

      Sucks to be old doesn't it!!

      Wayne Sagar
      "Pusher of Electrons"

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      • #4
        Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

        If one is young and single, none of the above matters; its because of the love of the job. But when responsibilites are added, wife, kids, etc., these things become very important if not critical.
        (And yes Irene, YOU were a bitchy flight attendant!)
        Thx
        VL

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        • #5
          Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

          .....hmmmm.....where do I start?....

          ......Having been a journeyman automotive mechanic/technician
          scince 1967, I think I have seen a bit.

          .......unrealistic time frames,safety liability,unhappy from the begining customers (who wants to pay for car repairs,regaurdless of the reasons
          i.e. neglect)

          ....yes I've done some racing,it can be great

          ....yes,some jobs were fun

          ...yes some people appreciated your work,and showed it

          ......
          ...........45-54 hour weeks
          ...........chemical exposure,etc

          .......I only wish I could have received the pay of an equally certified pilot for my grief and toil

          That said;

          ......I do not belive in our top heavy balance of capitalism.
          Manangement is taking way to heavy a slice of the pie (IMHO).

          ........sure they are "responsible" to corprate and stock holders for profit,
          but is it a requiirement to "step" on the backbone workers?


          bitch-mode off.
          (thanks for your tolerance)
          Mayday51
          Jim Gallagher

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          • #6
            Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

            Ron Henning,

            I couldn't have said this better.
            I hope to be done with this nonsense by this spring.

            MLenoch,

            I guess it's still a good job if youre a single alcoholic.

            Tin Man Tom.

            Bite me.

            DT in Adana Turkey.

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            • #7
              THE REAL QUESTION IS........

              HOW MANY (PERCENTAGE) OF THESE FLY BOYS FEEL LIKE THIS IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY ?

              I AM NOT AT ALL HAPPY ABOUT THIS JONNY COME LATELY MENTALITY OF A PERSON WHO I GIVE MY LIFE TO WHEN I AM STRAPPED INTO A BUSINESS CLASS SEAT.


              1%... 5%... 20%......... WHAT% ????


              I have had the short end of the stick in my profession, but never had such a visceral attitude like that.



              BM

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              • #8
                Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                Originally posted by Ron101502
                Well , The good news is, Today I officially Retire from Northwest Airlines
                and I was hired last week for a Service Advisor job in the automotive
                division of Sears (which is the first real job I had while going to college
                and loved it and it's what I want to do in my old age)

                no more zero/zero approaches into
                blinding thunderstorms or blizzards--no more strip searches at the security
                checkpoints by high school drop-outs
                I'm out - a - here.......

                hmmmm.....doesn't sound all that bad.Why would he want a real job?

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                • #9
                  Re: THE REAL QUESTION IS........

                  Originally posted by Bill Marsh
                  HOW MANY (PERCENTAGE) OF THESE FLY BOYS FEEL LIKE THIS IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY ?

                  I AM NOT AT ALL HAPPY ABOUT THIS JONNY COME LATELY MENTALITY OF A PERSON WHO I GIVE MY LIFE TO WHEN I AM STRAPPED INTO A BUSINESS CLASS SEAT.

                  1%... 5%... 20%......... WHAT% ????

                  I have had the short end of the stick in my profession, but never had such a visceral attitude like that.
                  A lot of airline pilots feel that way. Pay and benefits are steadily sliding downhill.

                  If you are worried about who is flying your pink butt around, then you need to voice your opinion to the airline management. They're the ones who are trying to man the cockpits with pilots who will fly for the smallest wages possible.

                  Do the math...with low wages, you're not going to be attracting the best a brightest pilots.

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                  • #10
                    Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                    Originally posted by Ron101502
                    ... and you'll never see another Military Pilot leave the armed forces
                    for an Air Carrier position where it will take almost his entire career to
                    reach the salary he left behind at his Military job.
                    Not necessarily true. Over the last few years I've seen my fair share of heavy pilots hang up their flightsuits to join the airlines. In fact we have two leaving in the next few months to do just that.


                    Tin Man Tom, You at Incirlik? Spent three months there back in `93 for Operation Provide Comfort when I was working F-15E's. I still dream of Chicken Tava to this day
                    Stevo

                    Blue Thunder Air Racing
                    My Photos
                    My Ride

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                    • #11
                      Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                      Hey airline pilot,
                      I would encuorage you to look at this from another perspecive.
                      Have you ever owned a business?(careful what you wish for)
                      Did you ever have to meet deadlines no matter what?(read negative cash flow)
                      Did your family have to skip Christmas because you had to pay your employees.
                      14 hour duty days....gimme a break, try 18 hours 20 days in a row.
                      Medical, Dental. 401 Pay for that out your pocket then whine at me.
                      Is the union (communists) responsible for your predicament?
                      OBW When costumers complain about the bad brake job on thier car who's side are you going to take?

                      Alan Woodson

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                      • #12
                        Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                        I forgot the t in OBTY
                        No excuse

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                        • #13
                          Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                          Remember this was written not by me but by an ex- Eastern pilot that never got to fly captain in his almost 30 year career, where I've never been furloughed and have flown captain since 1986 and now am on the "top" of the food chain at Northwest. But yes, between my wife and other partners I've either been an owner of an airshow business (Republic/Bud Light BD-5J), a hair salon (made money) and a restaurant (dropped a bunch on that one). As an accounting major I did the books and taxes on all but the restaurant.

                          I see this subject is familiar to many in other lines of work, in a system that puts the providers of capital above the producers of capital. Glad to see we have a lot of company, everyone knows what has happened to aerospace engineers.

                          I guess the only thing we can take from this is that life isn't fair but at least we have each other to bitch about it with!

                          Ron
                          Ron Henning

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                          • #14
                            Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                            Well I am glad for your friend and especially the flying public that he is selling tires instead of flying a commercial airliner with many lives in his hands.
                            Tom

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                            • #15
                              Re: This is the new reality of the airline pilot

                              Still have several social ties with many people at the United SFO maintenance base...... use to go out there as a x-employee guest visitor and see the EAA bring in war birds to do A, B and C checks for free ..... had a blast reliving my 1970 memories doin AOGs and all that............

                              Now after the Y2K all the way to 911..... Im finally allowed to go back as a employee visitor since 2001....

                              The mentality out therer now, in the maint shops really sucks..... im stunned as to where all this is heading.

                              Still a fly boy at heart ... but a sad heart


                              BM

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