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  • P51 Gathering not at Reno?

    I thought this was going to be in Reno?

    From The Denver Post

    Airports in dogfight to host heroes
    A historic gathering of P-51 Mustangs, the planes that helped win World War II, could draw huge crowds.
    By Kelly Yamanouchi
    Denver Post Staff Writer

    With a model WWII Mustang overhead, Front Range Airport aviation director Dennis Heap makes a pitch Wednesday to host a horde of the real planes in 2007. (Post / Jerry Cleveland)

    Local aviation and business leaders are jockeying for the chance to host a historic gathering of P-51 Mustang fighter planes and pilots, an attraction that could draw as many as 50,000 spectators a day over four days.

    In the running are two Colorado sites - Front Range and Jefferson County airports. They're on a short list competing against Rickenbacker International Airport in Columbus, Ohio, for a so-called "Warbird Woodstock."

    P-51 Mustangs were escort planes that protected American bombers from German fighters during World War II.

    The planned Gathering of Mustangs in the summer of 2007 would be the last such gathering of Mustang planes and pilots.

    "There aren't many pilots left from World War II that flew them," said Walt Barbo, president of the Fantasy of Flight Foundation.

    On Wednesday, Front Range Airport, 19 miles east of Denver, put its best foot forward, hosting a three-person site selection committee at a luncheon with local officials, pilots, and economic development and aviation leaders.

    Aviation director Dennis Heap bragged about everything from Colorado's weather to the Rocky Mountain scenery and the space available at the rural facility east of Denver International Airport and about 45 minutes from downtown Denver.

    "I hope we were able to show just overwhelming enthusiasm of the whole community to come together," Heap said after the pitch.

    Stallion 51 Corp., a P-51 Mustang flight operation based in Kissimmee, Fla., is planning the four-day event.

    "It will be one of the premier aviation events in the United States," Heap said. "It would absolutely put us on the map."

    The Denver Metro Convention & Visitors Bureau predicts the convention could have a direct economic impact of at least $15 million.

    "We're certainly doing anything we can to have them come here," convention bureau spokesman Rich Grant said. "It's a major event, and we're always looking for new dollars."

    Today, Jefferson County Airport in Broomfield will have a chance to tout its site.

    "It's fantastic that two Colorado airports are on the finalist list," Jefferson County Airport Manager Kenny Maenpa said. "I think Colorado is much more appealing" than Columbus.

    The site selection committee hopes to announce in April which airport will host the event.

    The last such gathering was in Kissimmee, Fla., in 1999 and drew 65 Mustangs and 12 aces. Organizer s hope the 2007 event will bring 100 Mustangs and 51 aces, the largest group since Mustangs flew together in Europe more than 60 years ago.

    The planes have a potent historic pull.

    "We called them 'the little friends"' for escorting bombers on missions, said Wayne Whitlock of Lakewood, who was a B-17 and C-47 pilot during World War II. "They shot down aircraft, saved a lot of B-17s and B-24s."

    Event organizers want to include a 51-plane Mustang flight.

    "You'd have a formation flying over Denver that the whole city would be running outside to look at," Heap said.

    It's unclear how big an audience the event could draw, but organizers say they expect as many as 75,000 to 200,000.

    "There's such a network of aviation enthusiasts throughout the country and the world," said Jim Rice, president of the 8th Air Force Historical Society Colorado chapter.

    Joseph Thibodeau, a Denver lawyer who owns and flies a Mustang, said the plane generates such awe because "it changed the war in Europe. It really did change history."

    Before the Mustang came along, "we were losing 30 percent of every B-17 raid that was launched," or as many as 200 aircraft and 2,000 men in one raid, he said.

    The Mustang "has a mystique about it," he said. "When it shows up on a ramp somewhere, even people who don't appreciate aircraft or have much interest are drawn to them like a magnet."

    If the Mustang gathering is held in the Denver area, "it will be such a huge coup," Thibodeau said.

    Staff writer Kelly Yamanouchi can be reached at 303-820-1488 or kyamanouchi@denverpost.com.

  • #2
    Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

    Well from a selfish point of view it would be easy for me to get to. But they probably wouldn't be able to do the huge formations like in Reno.

    Jarrod

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    • #3
      Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

      Let's see - I live in Tennessee so .... yeah, Ohio would work for me! I got stuck with a non-refundable ticket for the 2005 non-event in Reno. A little drive to Columbus would be just fine. I still get the shakes thinking of being surrounded by possibly 100 or more Mustangs. Wow...

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      • #4
        Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

        The real issue was apparently a political issue with the Airport Authority and RARA.

        Stallion apparently decided to take their ball and go home....good on 'em.

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        • #5
          Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

          Originally posted by Randy Haskin
          The real issue was apparently a political issue with the Airport Authority and RARA.

          Stallion apparently decided to take their ball and go home....good on 'em.
          Same thing that keeps anything from going on at Stead. Which includes running a business. Even IF you could find a hanger to buy or rent you can't work out of it. Aviation Classics has like one mechanic right now on the GA side. Running everyone else off. The backlog around the airport continues to grow.

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          • #6
            Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

            WTF is wrong with these guys. Why don't they want that place to flourish. They seem to stifle everything that comes there way. Why? What is the motivation to run something like that place into the ground? Where is the pressure coming from? What's next, spooky pirate ghosts?I've never heard one positive thing about them. Do they really feel as if they have a strangle hold on the whole warbird/racing scene? Tyrants always topple.
            You'll get your chance, smart guy!

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            • #7
              Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

              Thanks for echoing my thoughts this morning....talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...!!

              Yeah..like the $40 I sent 4-years ago to be a "charter member" of some stupid, "get you nothin'" club has EVER done me any good.

              Shame on you, RARA. Guess it'snot enough to only spend at least $1200.00 a year...coming frm Sacramento too!

              Color me dis-impressed.


              Greg Stark

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              • #8
                Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

                We all need to e-mail them, and let them know how the real world thinks!
                Tony

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                • #9
                  Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

                  Originally posted by deepsky
                  We all need to e-mail them, and let them know how the real world thinks!
                  That would only be effective if they gave a f*ck what any of us thinks.

                  Unfortunately, it is $ that talks to those guys...and they all know that the sport of air racing is not going to cut off its nose to spite its face. We're not going to stop going to Reno to "stick it" to RARA, because that aould effectively kill off closed course pylon racing in the modern era.

                  They're in a power position and they know it.

                  Personally, I'm happy to see Stallion take their show elsewhere and at least on some level let RARA know that they're not the only game in town.

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                  • #10
                    Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

                    Randy - Can you post or otherwise give me the source of your information regarding the condlict between Stallion 51, RARA, and the Airport Authority? I'd like to ask some questions around the airport, and perhaps have our local rag look into this situation.

                    Mike in REno

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                    • #11
                      Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

                      How do we know that it is RARA's fault? The Airport Authority and Stallion are involved in the mix. I saw nothing on the Stallion site. Do we have factual information, rather than assumptions, to share?
                      Betty

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                      • #12
                        Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

                        Originally posted by fenceliner01
                        Randy - Can you post or otherwise give me the source of your information regarding the condlict between Stallion 51, RARA, and the Airport Authority? I'd like to ask some questions around the airport, and perhaps have our local rag look into this situation.
                        I'd rather not discuss the source, but I heard the subject discussed at NWOC a couple weeks ago.

                        I didn't hear any specifics...in fact, *my* post on the subject doesn't specifically point out if RARA or the Airport Authority were the source of the disagreement, because I don't know. Heck, I have no idea what the cause of the disagreement was...all I know is that Stallion took their show elsewhere.

                        What significance is the source, anyway? If you're there in Reno and wanna check into things, I'd think you could proceed with looking into it regardless.

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                        • #13
                          Re: P51 Gathering not at Reno?

                          I should probably clarify that I don't know ****. It's just that from an outsiders point of view, there are a lot of digruntled people out there pointing fingers at RARA. An isolated incident or three, I could understand. You can't make everyone happy. However, this attitude towards RARA has existed for years. Would it be possible for someone to explain how this modern day Hatfield & McCoy, or whatever you want to call it, story started and why it has yet to be rectified?


                          Mmmmm, my favorite meal, Can-O-Worms!
                          You'll get your chance, smart guy!

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