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Peashooter
12-11-2004, 07:47 PM
OK, you guys with Photoshop can fix just about anything. I don't have it, and I never learned it. (I was the writer in my Ad Agency days.) But, last week while putting together a Power Point for Mark Feist's Winter Reno party (A great party!), I started playing with photo effects in MGI Photo Suite. (Came with my wife's Sony digital camera.) I've found that you can do some pretty neat things with what were considered throw-away shots. Here's on of Strega running up early in the morning in 2002. The original shot was heavy on the digital zoom and a blurred. So I cropped the shot aggressively and used the oil paint effect. Not bad.

Look ma, I'm Degas!

What have you done with photo toys? Peas

rpzo
12-11-2004, 09:22 PM
Alright, I'll play.

If your prone to motion sickness I wouldn't stare at the radial blur one to long.

Cheers,

Victor Archer
12-12-2004, 01:11 AM
I FEEL THE NEED, THE NEED FOR SPEED!!!

Pylon1_Mark
12-12-2004, 10:56 AM
Digitizing images out of slides sometimes makes for less then happy results - but since I shoot a boatload of film each time I'm at Reno, I just toss the bad or out of focus stuff (too time consuming to mess with). BUT making something a bit different from the original photos is what I really like to do. :D

Like this :thumbsup:

rpzo
12-12-2004, 02:28 PM
I haven't quite figured out how Victor does it but here's my attempt at imitating what he posted.

Cheers,

T. Adams
12-12-2004, 03:00 PM
???? Uhh, what's a bad shot??? Never seen such a thing. :D

Victor Archer
12-12-2004, 08:00 PM
Here kitty kitty

rpzo
12-12-2004, 09:09 PM
???? Uhh, what's a bad shot??? Never seen such a thing.
Want to borrow some Tim? I have plenty to spare.

Here's a streakin' phantom. I know I have better things to do with my time but this is kinda fun. Learning more about using Photoshop too!

Cheers,

Victor Archer
12-13-2004, 12:45 AM
Want to borrow some Tim? I have plenty to spare.

Here's a streakin' phantom. I know I have better things to do with my time but this is kinda fun. Learning more about using Photoshop too!

Cheers,

Rick, that one looks great :thumbsup:
Ever seen Shrek? Ogre's and Photoshop have a lot in common, they both stink... :eek: no no that's not it... :confused: oh wait I got it... they both have layers... yes that's it layers!!! :D

rpzo
12-13-2004, 05:09 PM
Hey, thanks Victor. I think I got the hang of the layers thing. I've used them before but never to that degree.

BTW, Ogre's are like onions. :D

Peashooter
12-13-2004, 06:56 PM
"What are you gonna do today, Napoleon?" :cool:

Victor Archer
12-13-2004, 07:03 PM
:confused:
"What are you gonna do today, Napoleon?" :cool: :confused:

Peashooter
12-14-2004, 02:03 AM
:confused: :confused:

Napoleon Dynamite -- go see it. LMAOF. He answered, "Anything I want -- Gosh!"

Peashooter
12-17-2004, 06:48 AM
Nathan Davis' Mustang at Middlesboro. He was across the ramp and I got into the digital zoom with ill effects. Even blown up as a background image, it looks cool. When I'm old and retired, I'll stipple this with acrylics...

Peashooter
12-17-2004, 01:51 PM
The previous shot...

T. Adams
12-17-2004, 08:55 PM
Maybe you photoshop guys can help here. Same airplane as above as it taxi's right by me at Oshkosh. Notice the nice porta-potties, the golf cart, the other photographer in the background. Another in the collection of nice photo, crap background. :(

And, yes the nose is too red, I just resized a jpeg to post, too lazy to find the RAW file.

Victor Archer
12-18-2004, 11:34 AM
Hey Tim,

Something like this?

T. Adams
12-18-2004, 11:50 AM
That works. You can tell it is cloned though. I'm sure through very, very careful cloning you would not be able to tell. I just don't have the ambition to go that far. If it was the only P-51 shot I had, then yea, but I just look for others to blow up and print.

I just really like the prop blur and early morning sun in this shot, so I saved the RAW file. You just don't get a chance to stand right next to an active taxiway at many airshows like you can at Oshkosh.

Victor Archer
12-18-2004, 12:22 PM
You can tell it is cloned though.

Well that's the quick & dirty version if you were paying me $50.00 per hr and I was working with a high res full size file it would look a bit different. Trying to repair small jpeg files is a waste of time, I just thought I'd have a little fun with your photo. Prop-blur lighting is a real hit and miss thing either your in the right place at the right time and the airplane just happens to turn at just that right angle or it doesn't work.
Nice shot though. Background junk is a bummer sometimes you have no choice and half of the time you don't notice it until your home reviewing your photos.

T. Adams
12-18-2004, 03:11 PM
I wasn't dissing your PS skills. The stuff you do with some of your shots is really amazing. I clone quite a bit sometimes, but sometimes I just can't get it to look the best. It looks good on a photo sized for the web, but blown up for print, forget it.

I just do the quick and easy stuff now, but at least I still have all the RAW files to go back and play with as I learn more.

As for backgrounds, I never really paid any attention in the past, but now that I actually try to think sometimes before I shoot, I find myself in all kinds of odd angles to get rid of distracting backgrounds.

AAFO_WSagar
12-18-2004, 11:43 PM
As for backgrounds, I never really paid any attention in the past, but now that I actually try to think sometimes before I shoot, I find myself in all kinds of odd angles to get rid of distracting backgrounds.I hope my friends Robert Eng and Tyson will cime in here but I also almost always try for the uncluttered look and by doing so, I miss the shots that really tell the story of an event such as this Tyson shot taken at Nellis....

http://lasvegasaero.com/art/C-5.jpg

This one netted him a slot in Aviation Week, because of the clutter. What I'm trying to say, from a "newsman" and or event story teller point of view, getting all the "stuff" in the shot is a major part of the craft.

No question, airplanes with legs (people standing behind the subject) will probably never do but getting the stuff in *is* important too..

I've got a photo shoot by Robert's friend Arnold Greenwell, who covered one half of Oshkosh for us this year (yes, indeed, I've got a LOT of projects due for new year's treats for you guys) (Jeff Lo Covered the other half) anyway, what I noticed in Arnold's shoot was he REALLY brought the entire Oshkosh view into his photos, not just perfectly lovely airplane "portraits" but Arnold got it all in his album. He did exactly what an editor would want, cover every aspect of the event, from the hotdog vendor to the finest airplanes in the world..

I learn from guys like Arnold, I remember my huge shortcoming in this area every time I'm asked for an event photo that really tells the event story..

This is a cool subject, it'd be neat if some of the pros who visit this board (so far, for the most part, just watching) and whom I've gotten a chance to meet, who probably have never been here, could chime in with tips of this sort..

For instance, if I were hired by a publication and brought back what I usually bring back, it'd be the last time they sent me out, that's for sure.. For me, I have to kick myself to try to remember to get the "other" shots.. I know some of you have an eye for this sort of thing, usually, when I *do* remember to try to get some of them... I find myself looking through the viewfinder thinking..... ahhhh... what am I shooting???? :dunno:

Just a different way of looking at the "clutter" ;)

Wayne

Peashooter
12-19-2004, 06:04 AM
I recall a thread on Scotty's board a few years back featuring t-shirts "cluttered" with feminine assets. I think it was in his pre-nurse FA days... It was most excellent!

T. Adams
12-19-2004, 08:25 AM
I admit if I were shooting for someone, I would look at it differently. I did take a more than a few with people in them like this,

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=3182

that I had posted before. Since that midwest team bought some of my photos to promote there act, I will get press access at at least a couple of arishows this year, so I'll get a chance to try some different stuff hopefully.

rpzo
12-19-2004, 12:27 PM
Tim,

I really like this 'cluttered' shot that you took at this years races. The compression of the telephoto really adds something and makes September Fury look like it is really looming over the crowd gathered along the flight line.

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=3187

In regards to what any of us shoot at an airshow I think it depends what your goals are for the day. For some of us it is nothing more than getting the coolest possible photo that we can of the airplane either in the air or on the ground. Usually that means without people in the way and especially the port-o-potties.

For the professionals who's aim it is to get their photos published they have to look at it with a different eye. A publication like Air and Space probably already has thousands of pictures of the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels flying through the air and would be more interested in a shot that shows some of the local flavor of the show.

I tried to approach each show last year with the goal of digitally capturing something about the show that made it unique. I did this more to try to improve my skills as a photographer than anything else. The idea of what a publication would want is not a major concern for me at this point. I don't have the contacts and don't know the first thing about what they require for their submissions.

I guess what I am really trying to say is that if your goal is to get published that's great. If your goal is to just capture some cool shots of airplanes that's good too.

Some 'cluttered shots' from last years airshows:

Peashooter
12-19-2004, 07:36 PM
And a Bear shot rescue. At this crop, it lost resolution, so...Degas it is.

Peashooter
12-21-2004, 05:37 AM
"Somebody stop me!" The mondo "Big Bossman".

T. Adams
12-21-2004, 01:12 PM
What am I doing wrong? I can never get my camera to focus that well. :D :D :D

rpzo
12-21-2004, 05:26 PM
What am I doing wrong? I can never get my camera to focus that well.

That's because you didn't order your 10D with the Degas focusing option. :D
I think that option comes standard on the Nikons. :eek:

Peashooter
12-21-2004, 09:34 PM
Ouch! The Bossman shot was taken by my nephew with my bro's Nikon D70. But you knew that! :thumbsup: It *was* blurred, Gosh. Miro next? So many toys, so little time...

rpzo
12-21-2004, 10:14 PM
Peashooter,

No offense meant, just poking a little fun at the other brand. I had no idea that it was shot with a Nikon. Truth be told I have plenty of blurred shots that originated from my Canon.

Rick

Peashooter
12-22-2004, 07:48 AM
Peashooter,

No offense meant, just poking a little fun at the other brand. I had no idea that it was shot with a Nikon. Truth be told I have plenty of blurred shots that originated from my Canon.

Rick

Rick: No sweat! Hey, I'll be in Cal-ee-for-nya for the Rose Parade with my wife and daughter. My company is a "Contributing Partner" of the Coalition on Doantion float, and we'll be decorating it on the 30th and in the stands (Sec. 3?) on New Years Day. Tell your wives/girlfriends to look for float #67 on HGTV in the last 1/3 of the coverage. Peas

http://www.onelegacy.org/prod/components/rose2005/media/official_partners.html

HiredBitSlinger
01-02-2005, 01:40 PM
I think photographers have to keep a goal in mind for their shots. I find when I get tired and just go through the motions, I wind up with a lot of the same thing. Better to put the camera down for a while.

Here is a shot from 2003 of one my favorite aircraft, Furious.

I think the caption should be, "Furious, I'd be mad as hell".

Dan Plunkett

Peashooter
01-05-2005, 07:48 AM
Uno mas. These make neat screen background images. Try it, you'll like it!

Peashooter
01-07-2005, 03:43 PM
Hey KH, check out the RC aerotow! It's a blast. I fly a 3.5M ASW-27 -- the last in line. Peas